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English version: Q: If one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系), does one necessarily not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm? Or is it the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, but it is not the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系)? This refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm born ordinary beings) who have already detached from desire in the Desire Realm but have not yet detached from desire in the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**), and to noble ones who have not yet detached from desire in the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**), whose perception of suffering and the knowledge of Dharma has already arisen, or to beings in the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**), ( **born) Pudgalas (Pudgala: refers to a person or sentient being) who have not yet detached from those desires. Q: If one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, does one also not achieve the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系)? Or is it the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, but it is not the case that one does not achieve the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系)? To this, the fourfold proposition can be extensively explained. Not achieving the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, but it is not the case that one does not achieve the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系) refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm born) who have already detached from desire in the Desire Realm, and to beings in the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**), (**born Pudgalas). Not achieving the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系), but it is not the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm born ordinary beings) who have not yet detached from desire in the Desire Realm, and to noble ones who have not yet detached from desire in the Desire Realm, whose perception of suffering and the knowledge of Dharma has not yet arisen. Not achieving the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, and also achieving the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系) refers to those who are not beings of the Form Realm and Formless Realm (no **born Pudgalas). It is not the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, and it is also not the case that one does not achieve the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Form Realm and Formless Realm (**系); this condition does not exist. Q: If one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, does one also not achieve the wholesome mind associated with the Formless Realm (no **系)? Or is it the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, but it is not the case that one does not achieve the wholesome mind associated with the Formless Realm (no **系)? To this, the fourfold proposition can be extensively explained. Not achieving the unobscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, but it is not the case that one does not achieve the wholesome mind associated with the Formless Realm (no **系) refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm **born) who have already attained the wholesome mind of the Formless Realm (no **), and to beings of the Formless Realm (no **) (born Pudgalas). Not achieving the wholesome mind associated with the Formless Realm (no **系), but it is not the case that one does not achieve the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm born ordinary beings) who have not yet detached from desire in the Desire Realm, and to noble ones who have not yet detached from desire in the Desire Realm, whose perception of suffering and the knowledge of Dharma has not yet arisen. Not achieving the obscured and indeterminate mind associated with the Desire Realm, and also achieving the wholesome mind associated with the Formless Realm (no **系) refers to sentient beings in the Desire Realm (Desire Realm born ordinary beings) who have already detached from desire in the Desire Realm but have not yet attained the wholesome mind of the Formless Realm (no **), and --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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未离欲界贪圣者现观边苦法智已生，若色界生长未得无色界善心补特伽罗。非不成就欲界系有覆无记心亦非无色界系善心者，无有此句。若不成就欲界系有覆无记心，亦不成就无色界系有覆无记心耶？若不成就无色界系有覆无记心，定不成就欲界系有覆无记心。或不成就欲界系有覆无记心非无色界系有覆无记心，谓已离欲界贪异生，及未离欲界贪圣者现观边苦法智已生。若不成就欲界系有覆无记心，亦不成就无色界系无覆无记心耶？或不成就欲界系有覆无记心非无色界系无覆无记心，广说四句。不成就欲界系有覆无记心非无色界系无覆无记心者，谓无色界生长异熟果心正现在前。不成就无色界系无覆无记心非欲界系有覆无记心者，谓欲界生长异生未离欲界贪，及未离欲界圣者现观边苦法智未生。不成就欲界系有覆无记心亦无色界系无覆无记心者，谓欲界生长异生已离欲界贪，及未离欲界贪圣者现观边苦法智已生，若色界生长若无色界生长，异熟果心不现在前。非不成就欲界系有覆无记心亦非无色界系无覆无记心者，无有此句。若不成就欲界系有覆无记心，亦不成就学心耶？或不成就欲界系有覆无记心非学心，广说四句。不成就欲界系有覆无记心非学心者，谓诸有学现观边苦法智已生。不成就学心非欲界系有覆无记心者 现代汉语译本： 如果一位未断离欲界贪欲的圣者，他的现观（Abhisamaya，证悟）已达到苦法智（Dukkha-dharma-jnana，对苦谛的智慧）的边缘，并且如果他是欲界（Kāmadhātu，感官界）的众生，那么他是否未获得无色界（Arūpadhātu，无色界）的善心，并且是一个没有善心的补特伽罗（Pudgala，个体）？并非不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心（Sāvaraṇa-avyākṛta-citta，有染污的无记心），也并非没有无色界所系的善心者，没有这种情况。如果不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，是否也不成就无色界所系的有覆无记心呢？如果不成就无色界所系的有覆无记心，必定不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心。或者不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，但并非没有无色界所系的有覆无记心，这指的是已经断离欲界贪欲的异生（Pṛthagjana，凡夫），以及未断离欲界贪欲的圣者，他们的现观已达到苦法智的边缘。 如果不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，是否也不成就无色界所系的无覆无记心（Anāvaraṇa-avyākṛta-citta，无染污的无记心）呢？或者不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，但并非没有无色界所系的无覆无记心，这里可以广说四句。不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，但并非没有无色界所系的无覆无记心，这指的是无色界的众生，他们的异熟果心（Vipāka-citta，果报心）正在生起。 不成就无色界所系的无覆无记心，但并非不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，这指的是欲界的众生，他们是异生，未断离欲界贪欲，以及未断离欲界贪欲的圣者，他们的现观尚未达到苦法智的边缘。不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，也不成就无色界所系的无覆无记心，这指的是欲界的众生，他们是异生，已经断离欲界贪欲，以及未断离欲界贪欲的圣者，他们的现观已达到苦法智的边缘，无论是无色界的众生还是非无色界的众生，他们的异熟果心没有正在生起。并非不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，也并非没有无色界所系的无覆无记心，没有这种情况。 如果不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，是否也不成就学心（Śaikṣa-citta，有学之心）呢？或者不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，但并非没有学心，这里可以广说四句。不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心，但并非没有学心，这指的是诸位有学（Śaikṣa，有学者），他们的现观已达到苦法智的边缘。不成就学心，但并非不成就欲界所系的有覆无记心。
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English version: If a noble one who has not abandoned desire realm (Kāmadhātu) craving, whose direct realization (Abhisamaya) is at the edge of the knowledge of suffering-dharma (Dukkha-dharma-jnana), and if they are a being born in the desire realm, do they not obtain the wholesome mind of the formless realm (Arūpadhātu), and are they a person (Pudgala) without wholesome mind? It is not the case that they do not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind (Sāvaraṇa-avyākṛta-citta) associated with the desire realm, nor are they without the wholesome mind associated with the formless realm; there is no such statement. If one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, does one also not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm? If one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm, one definitely does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm. Or, one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, but it is not that one does not have the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm; this refers to ordinary beings (Pṛthagjana) who have abandoned desire realm craving, and noble ones who have not abandoned desire realm craving, whose direct realization is at the edge of the knowledge of suffering-dharma. If one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, does one also not accomplish the undefiled indeterminate mind (Anāvaraṇa-avyākṛta-citta) associated with the formless realm? Or, one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, but it is not that one does not have the undefiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm; here, the four possibilities can be elaborated. One does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, but it is not that one does not have the undefiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm; this refers to beings born in the formless realm whose resultant mind (Vipāka-citta) is presently arising. One does not accomplish the undefiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm, but it is not that one does not have the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm; this refers to beings born in the desire realm who are ordinary beings and have not abandoned desire realm craving, and noble ones who have not abandoned desire realm craving, whose direct realization has not reached the edge of the knowledge of suffering-dharma. One does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, nor does one accomplish the undefiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm; this refers to beings born in the desire realm who are ordinary beings and have abandoned desire realm craving, and noble ones who have not abandoned desire realm craving, whose direct realization has reached the edge of the knowledge of suffering-dharma, whether they are beings born in the formless realm or not, their resultant mind is not presently arising. It is not the case that one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, nor is it that one does not have the undefiled indeterminate mind associated with the formless realm; there is no such statement. If one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, does one also not accomplish the mind of a learner (Śaikṣa-citta)? Or, one does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, but it is not that one does not have the mind of a learner; here, the four possibilities can be elaborated. One does not accomplish the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm, but it is not that one does not have the mind of a learner; this refers to those learners (Śaikṣa) whose direct realization has reached the edge of the knowledge of suffering-dharma. One does not accomplish the mind of a learner, but it is not that one does not have the defiled indeterminate mind associated with the desire realm. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------