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(b) Or again, for whom indeterminate phenomena cease, for him do unwholesome phenomena arise? No. (b) Direct Place 165. (a) Where wholesome phenomena arise, there do unwholesome phenomena cease? Yes. (b) Or again, where unwholesome phenomena cease, there do wholesome phenomena arise? Yes. (a) Where wholesome phenomena arise, there do indeterminate phenomena cease? Yes. (b) Or again, where indeterminate phenomena cease, there do wholesome phenomena arise? In the non-percipient beings, there indeterminate phenomena cease, but there wholesome phenomena do not arise. In the four-constituent realms, in the five-constituent realms, there indeterminate phenomena cease and wholesome phenomena arise. 166. (a) Where unwholesome phenomena arise, there do indeterminate phenomena cease? Yes. (b) Or where do undeterminable phenomena cease, there do unwholesome phenomena arise? In the non-percipient beings, there undeterminable phenomena cease, but there unwholesome phenomena do not arise. In the four-constituent existences, in the five-constituent existences, there undeterminable phenomena cease, and unwholesome phenomena arise. (c) Direct individuals and places 167. (a) For whom, where wholesome phenomena arise, for him, there unwholesome phenomena cease? No. (b) Or for whom, where unwholesome phenomena cease, for him, there wholesome phenomena arise? No. (a) For whom, where wholesome phenomena arise, for him, there undeterminable phenomena cease? No. (b) Or for whom, where undeterminable phenomena cease, for him, there wholesome phenomena arise? No. 168. (a) For whom, where unwholesome phenomena arise, for him, there undeterminable phenomena cease? No. (b) Or for whom, where undeterminable phenomena cease, for him, there unwholesome phenomena arise? No. (d) Reverse individual 169. (a) For whom wholesome phenomena do not arise, for him unwholesome phenomena do not cease? At the moment of cessation of unwholesome phenomena, for them wholesome phenomena do not arise, but for them unwholesome phenomena do not not cease. At the moment of arising of a consciousness dissociated from wholesome phenomena, at the moment of cessation of a consciousness dissociated from unwholesome phenomena, for those who have attained cessation, for the non-percipient beings, for them wholesome phenomena do not arise, and unwholesome phenomena do not cease. (b) Or for whom unwholesome phenomena do not cease, for him wholesome phenomena do not arise? At the moment of arising of wholesome phenomena, for them unwholesome phenomena do not cease, but for them wholesome phenomena do not not arise. At the moment of cessation of a consciousness dissociated from unwholesome phenomena, at the moment of arising of a consciousness dissociated from wholesome phenomena, for those who have attained cessation, for the non-percipient beings, for them unwholesome phenomena... Unwholesome phenomena do not cease, and wholesome phenomena do not arise. (A) For whom do wholesome phenomena not arise, for them do indeterminate phenomena not cease? For all who are passing away, at the moment of the dissolution of consciousness in the course of existence, for them wholesome phenomena do not arise, but not for them do indeterminate phenomena not cease. For all who are being reborn, at the moment of the arising of consciousness dissociated from wholesome in the course of existence, and at the moment of the dissolution of wholesome and unwholesome in the immaterial realm, for them both wholesome phenomena do not arise and indeterminate phenomena do not cease. (B) Or for whom do indeterminate phenomena not cease, for them do wholesome phenomena not arise? At the moment of the arising of wholesome, for them indeterminate phenomena do not cease, but not for them do wholesome phenomena not arise. For all who are being reborn, at the moment of the arising of consciousness dissociated from wholesome in the course of existence, and at the moment of the dissolution of wholesome and unwholesome in the immaterial realm, for them both indeterminate phenomena do not cease and wholesome phenomena do not arise. 170. (A) For whom do unwholesome phenomena not arise, for them do indeterminate phenomena not cease? For all who are passing away, at the moment of the dissolution of consciousness in the course of existence, for them unwholesome phenomena do not arise, but not for them do indeterminate phenomena not cease. For all who are being reborn, at the moment of the arising of consciousness dissociated from unwholesome in the course of existence, and at the moment of the dissolution of wholesome and unwholesome in the immaterial realm, for them both unwholesome phenomena do not arise and indeterminate phenomena do not cease. (B) Or for whom do indeterminate phenomena not cease, for them do unwholesome phenomena not arise? At the moment of the arising of unwholesome, for them indeterminate phenomena do not cease, but not for them do unwholesome phenomena not arise. For all who are being reborn, at the moment of the arising of consciousness dissociated from unwholesome in the course of existence, and at the moment of the dissolution of wholesome and unwholesome in the immaterial realm, for them both indeterminate phenomena do not cease and unwholesome phenomena do not arise. (C) Reverse Section 171. (Ka) Where wholesome states do not arise, do unwholesome states not cease there? Yes. (Kha) Or where unwholesome states do not cease, do wholesome states not arise there? Yes. (Ka) Where wholesome states do not arise, do indeterminate states not cease there? They cease. (Kha) Or where indeterminate states do not cease, do wholesome states not arise there? No. 172. (Ka) Where unwholesome states do not arise, do indeterminate states not cease there? They cease. (Kha) Or where indeterminate states do not cease, do unwholesome states not arise there? No. (Ca) Negative cases concerning persons and places. 173. (Ka) For whom, where wholesome states do not arise, do unwholesome states not cease for them there? At the moment of cessation of unwholesome states, for them there wholesome states do not arise, but for them there unwholesome states do cease. At the moment of arising of consciousness disconnected from wholesome states, at the moment of cessation of consciousness disconnected from unwholesome states, for non-percipient beings, for them there wholesome states do not arise and unwholesome states do not cease. (Kha) Or for whom, where unwholesome states do not cease, do wholesome states not arise for them there? At the moment of arising of wholesome states, for them there unwholesome states do not cease, but for them there wholesome states do arise. At the moment of cessation of consciousness disconnected from unwholesome states, at the moment of arising of consciousness disconnected from wholesome states, for non-percipient beings, for them there unwholesome states do not cease and wholesome states do not arise. (Ka) For whom, where wholesome states do not arise, do indeterminate states not cease for them there? For all who are passing away, at the moment of cessation of consciousness in the course of existence, for them there wholesome states do not arise, but for them there indeter... unindicated phenomena do not cease. For all those arising, at the moment of arising of consciousness dissociated from wholesome in the course of existence, at the moment of cessation of wholesome and unwholesome in the formless realms, for them there, wholesome phenomena do not arise, and unindicated phenomena do not cease. (Kha) Or again, for whom, where, unindicated phenomena do not cease, do wholesome phenomena not arise for them there? At the moment of arising of wholesome, for them there, unindicated phenomena do not cease, but wholesome phenomena do not not arise for them there. For all those arising, at the moment of arising of consciousness dissociated from wholesome in the course of existence, at the moment of cessation of wholesome and unwholesome in the formless realms, for them there, unindicated phenomena do not cease, and wholesome phenomena do not arise. 174. (Ka) For whom, where, unwholesome phenomena do not arise, do unindicated phenomena not cease for them there? For all those passing away, at the moment of cessation of consciousness in the course of existence, for them there, unwholesome phenomena do not arise, but unindicated phenomena do not not cease for them there. For all those arising, at the moment of arising of consciousness dissociated from unwholesome in the course of existence, at the moment of cessation of wholesome and unwholesome in the formless realms, for them there, unwholesome phenomena do not arise, and unindicated phenomena do not cease. (Kha) Or again, for whom, where, unindicated phenomena do not cease, do unwholesome phenomena not arise for them there? At the moment of arising of unwholesome, for them there, unindicated phenomena do not cease, but unwholesome phenomena do not not arise for them there. For all those arising, at the moment of arising of consciousness dissociated from unwholesome in the course of existence, at the moment of cessation of wholesome and unwholesome in the formless realms, for them there, unindicated phenomena do not cease, and unwholesome phenomena do not arise. (2) Past Section (Ka) Direct individual 175. (Ka) For whom wholesome phenomena arose, did unwholesome phenomena cease? Yes. (Kha) Or again, for whom Unwholesome states ceased for him, did wholesome states arise for him? Yes. (Ka) For whom wholesome states arose, did indeterminate states cease for him? Yes. (Kha) Or for whom indeterminate states ceased, did wholesome states arise for him? Yes. 176. (Ka) For whom unwholesome states arose, did indeterminate states cease for him? Yes. (Kha) Or for whom indeterminate states ceased, did unwholesome states arise for him? Yes. (Kha) Direct order (in terms of) place. 177.