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"The five consciousnesses are wholesome or unwholesome." Is eye-consciousness wholesome? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise with emptiness as its object? It should not be said so... (etc.)... Does eye-consciousness arise with emptiness as its object? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and emptiness? It should not be said so. Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and emptiness? Yes. Dependent on the eye and emptiness... and eye-consciousness arises’? Is there such a Sutta? No, there is not. ‘Dependent on the eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises’? Is there such a Sutta? Yes, there is. If ‘Dependent on the eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises’ – such a Sutta exists, then it should not be said: ‘Dependent on the eye and emptiness, eye-consciousness arises’. 582. Is eye-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Yes, it is. Does eye-consciousness arise with reference to past and future? It should not be said so… (etc.) Is eye-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Yes, it is. Does eye-consciousness arise with reference to contact… (etc.)… with reference to mind… with reference to eye… (etc.)… with reference to body… with reference to sound… (etc.)… with reference to touch? It should not be said so… (etc.) Is mind-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does mind-consciousness arise with reference to emptiness? Yes, it does. Is eye-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does eye-consciousness arise with reference to emptiness? It should not be said so… (etc.) Is mind-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does mind-consciousness arise with reference to past and future? Yes, it does. Is eye-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does eye-consciousness arise with reference to past and future? It should not be said so… (etc.) Is mind-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does mind-consciousness arise with reference to contact… (etc.)… with reference to mind… (etc.)… with reference to body… with reference to sound… (etc.)… with reference to touch? Yes, it does. Is eye-consciousness wholesome and unwholesome? Does eye-consciousness arise with reference to contact… (etc.)… with reference to touch? It should not be said so… (etc.) 583. Should it not be said: ‘The five consciousnesses are wholesome and unwholesome’? Yes, it should not. But has it not been said by the Blessed One: ‘Here, monks, a monk, having seen a form with the eye, grasps at its features… (etc.)… does not grasp at its features… (etc.)… having heard a sound with the ear… (etc.)… having felt a touch with the body, grasps at its features… (etc.)… does not g ...becomes a taker of signs!" Is there a Sutta for that? Yes. Then the five consciousnesses are both wholesome and unwholesome. The discussion on the five consciousnesses being both wholesome and unwholesome is finished. 10. The Tenth Chapter (99) 5. Discussion on Deliberation 584. Are the five consciousnesses deliberative? Yes. Are not the five consciousnesses arisen from an object, with an arisen object? Yes. If the five consciousnesses are arisen from an object, with an arisen object, then it should not be said: "The five consciousnesses are deliberative." Are not the five consciousnesses with a pre-arisen basis, with a pre-arisen object, with an internal basis, with an external object, with an unmixed basis, with an unmixed object, with various bases, with various objects, do not experience each other's range of activity, do not arise without attention, do not arise without mental advertence, do not arise without interruption, do not arise without a prior or a later, do not the five consciousnesses arise not immediately after each other? Yes. If the five consciousnesses do not arise immediately after each other, then it should not be said: "The five consciousnesses are deliberative." 585. Is eye-consciousness deliberative? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise with emptiness as its object? It should not be said so... (repeats) Does eye-consciousness arise with emptiness as its object? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and emptiness? It should not be said so... (repeats) Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and emptiness? Yes. "Eye-consciousness arises dependent on the eye and emptiness" – is there a Sutta for that? No... (repeats) "Eye-consciousness arises dependent on the eye and forms" – is there a Sutta for that? Yes. If "Eye-consciousness arises dependent on the eye and forms" – is there a Sutta for that, then it should not be said: "Eye-consciousness arises dependent on the eye and emptiness." Is eye-consciousness deliberative? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise with past and future as its object? Is it born? It should not be said thus... Is eye-consciousness purposeful? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on contact... dependent on touch? It should not be said thus... Mind-consciousness is purposeful, does mind-consciousness arise dependent on emptiness? Yes. Eye-consciousness is purposeful, does eye-consciousness arise dependent on emptiness? It should not be said thus... Mind-consciousness is purposeful, does mind-consciousness arise dependent on past and future? Yes. Eye-consciousness is purposeful, does eye-consciousness arise dependent on past and future? It should not be said thus... Mind-consciousness is purposeful, does mind-consciousness arise dependent on contact... dependent on touch? Yes. Eye-consciousness is purposeful, does eye-consciousness arise dependent on contact... dependent on touch? It should not be said thus... 586. Should it not be said: "The five consciousnesses are purposeful"? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One: "Here, monks, a monk, having seen a form with the eye, grasps at the sign... or does not grasp at the sign... having touched a tangible object with the body, grasps at the sign... or does not grasp at the sign!" Is there such a Sutta? Yes. Therefore, the five consciousnesses are purposeful... The discourse on purposefulness is concluded. 10. The Tenth Chapter (100) 6. Discourse on Two Moralities 587. Is one endowed with the path endowed with two moralities? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with two contacts, two feelings, two perceptions, two volitions, two consciousnesses, two faiths, two efforts, two mindfulnesses, two concentrations, two wisdoms? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with worldly morality? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with worldly contact, worldly feeling, worldly perception, worldly volition, worldly consciousness, worldly faith, worldly effort, worldly mindfulness, worldly concentration, worldly wisdom? Is it? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane virtue? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane contact... ...endowed with both mundane and supramundane wisdom? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane virtue? Yes. Is one endowed with the path an ordinary person? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right speech? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right view? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right speech? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right intention... ...with mundane right effort... ...with mundane right mindfulness... ...with mundane right concentration? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right action... ...with mundane right livelihood? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane right view... ...with mundane right concentration? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right speech? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right view? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right speech? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right intention... ...with both mundane and supramundane right effort... ...with both mundane and supramundane right mindfulness... ...with both mundane and supramundane right concentration? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right action... ...with both mundane and supramundane right livelihood? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right view? It should not be said thus... Is one endowed with the path endowed with both mundane and supramundane right livelihood? Yes. Is one endowed with the path endowed with mundane and supramundane right thought... and mundane and supramundane right concentration? It should not be said thus... 589. Should it not be said: "One endowed with the path is endowed with two kinds of virtue"? Yes. When mundane virtue ceases, does the path arise? Yes. Does one who is immoral, with broken virtue, with severed virtue, develop the path? It should not be said thus... Therefore, one endowed with the path is endowed with two kinds of virtue. The discussion on two kinds of virtue is concluded. 10. The Tenth Chapter (101) 7. Discussion on Virtue as Non-Mental 590. Is virtue non-mental? Yes. Is form... Nibbana... the eye-base... the body-base... the form-base... the tangible-base? It should not be said thus... Is virtue non-mental? Yes. Is contact non-mental? It should not be said thus... Is virtue non-mental? Yes. Are feeling... perception... volition... faith... energy... mindfulness... concentration... wisdom non-mental? It should not be said thus... Is contact mental? Yes. Is virtue mental? It should not be said thus... Are feeling... perception... volition... faith... energy... mindfulness... concentration... wisdom mental? Yes. Is virtue mental? It should not be said thus... 591.