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It should not be said thus.... Do beings arise, age, die, pass away, and reappear in the formless-realm? Yes. Do beings arise, age, die, pass away, and reappear through feeling? It should not be said thus... In the formless-realm, are there feeling, perception, formations, consciousness? Yes. In feeling, are there feeling, perception, formations, consciousness? It should not be said thus... Is the formless-realm a four-constituent existence? Yes. Is feeling a four-constituent existence? It should not be said thus.... 518. Are formless phenomena the formless-realm, and in the sense-realm are there feeling, perception, formations, consciousness? Yes. Is that same sense-realm, that formless-realm? It should not be said thus. …(omitted)… is that same sense-sphere, that formless-sphere? Yes. Is a person endowed with the sense-existence endowed with two existences—with sense-existence and with formless-existence? It should not be said so…(omitted)…. Are form-things the form-sphere, are formless-things the formless-sphere, is there in the sense-sphere form, feeling, perception, volitional formations, consciousness? Yes. Is that same sense-sphere, that form-sphere, that formless-sphere? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is that same sense-sphere, that form-sphere, that formless-sphere? Yes. Is a person endowed with the sense-existence endowed with three existences—with sense-existence and with form-existence and with formless-existence? It should not be said so…(omitted)…. The discourse on the formless-sphere is finished. 8. The Eighth Chapter (79) 7. Discourse on the Sense-Bases of the Form-Sphere 519. Is there a six-sense-base personality in the form-sphere? Yes. Is there a nose-base there? Yes. Is there an odor-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there a tongue-base there? Yes. Is there a taste-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there a body-base there? Yes. Is there a tangible-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)…. Is there no odor-base there? Yes. Is there no nose-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there no taste-base there? Yes. Is there no tongue-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there no tangible-base there? Yes. Is there no body-base there? It should not be said so…(omitted)…. 520. Is there an eye-base there, is there a form-base? Yes. Is there a nose-base there, is there an odor-base? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there an eye-base there, is there a form-base? Yes. Is there a tongue-base there, is there a taste-base…(omitted)… is there a body-base there, is there a tangible-base? It should not be said so…(omitted)… is there an ear-base there, is there a sound-base…(omitted)… is there Is there there a mind-base, is there a phenomena-base? Yes. Is there there a nose-base, is there an odor-base? It should not be said thus... Is there there a mind-base, is there a phenomena-base? Yes. Is there there a tongue-base, is there a taste-base?... Is there there a body-base, is there a tangible-base? It should not be said thus... Is there there a nose-base, is there no odor-base? Yes. Is there there an eye-base, is there no form-base? It should not be said thus... Is there there a nose-base, is there no odor-base? Yes. Is there there an ear-base, is there no sound-base?... Is there there a mind-base, is there no phenomena-base? It should not be said thus... Is there there a tongue-base, is there no taste-base?... Is there there a body-base, is there no tangible-base? Yes. Is there there an eye-base, is there no form-base? It should not be said thus... Is there there a body-base, is there no tangible-base? Yes. Is there there an ear-base, is there no sound-base?... Is there there a mind-base, is there no phenomena-base? It should not be said thus... 521. Is there there an eye-base, is there a form-base, and with that eye does one see that form? Yes. Is there there a nose-base, is there an odor-base, and with that nose does one smell that odor? It should not be said thus... Is there there an eye-base, is there a form-base, and with that eye does one see that form? Yes. Is there there a tongue-base, is there a taste-base, and with that tongue does one taste that taste?... Is there there a body-base, is there a tangible-base, and with that body does one touch that tangible? It should not be said thus... Is there there an ear-base, is there a sound-base?... Is there there a mind-base, is there a phenomena-base, and with that mind does one discern that phenomena? Yes. Is there a nose faculty there, is there an odor faculty, and with that nose, does one smell that odor? It should not be said so (...). Is there a mind faculty there, is there a mental object faculty, and with that mind, does one discern that mental object? Yes. Is there a tongue faculty there, is there a taste faculty (...). Is there a body faculty there, is there a touch faculty, and with that body, does one touch that touchable? It should not be said so (...). Is there a nose faculty there, is there an odor faculty, and with that nose, does one not smell that odor? Yes. Is there an eye faculty there, is there a form faculty, and with that eye, does one not see that form? It should not be said so (...). Is there a nose faculty there, is there an odor faculty, and with that nose, does one not smell that odor? Yes. Is there an ear faculty there, is there a sound faculty (...). Is there a mind faculty there, is there a mental object faculty, and with that mind, does one not discern that mental object? It should not be said so (...). Is there a tongue faculty there, is there a taste faculty (...). Is there a body faculty there, is there a touch faculty, and with that body, does one not touch that touchable? Yes. Is there an ear faculty there, is there a sound faculty (...). Is there a mind faculty there, is there a mental object faculty, and with that mind, does one not discern that mental object? It should not be said so (...). 522. Is there a nose faculty there, is there an odor faculty, and with that nose, does one smell that odor? Yes. Is there a root odor, a heartwood odor, a bark odor, a leaf odor, a flower odor, a fruit odor, a raw odor, a putrid odor, a pleasant odor, an unpleasant odor? It should not be said so (...). Is there a tongue faculty there, is there a taste faculty, and with that tongue, does one taste that taste? Yes. Is there a root taste, a trunk taste, a bark taste, a leaf taste, a flower taste, a fruit taste, a sour taste, a sweet taste, a bitter taste, a pungent taste, a salty taste, an alkaline taste, a l Is it sour, astringent, sweet, or not sweet? It should not be said so… (etc.)… Is there a body faculty there? Is there a tangible faculty? Does that body touch that tangible? Yes. Is there there roughness, softness, fineness, harshness, pleasant touch, painful touch, heaviness, lightness? It should not be said so… (etc.)… 523. Should it not be said: “The self-existence in the realm of form is endowed with six sense-bases”? Yes. Is there not there a nose-sign? A tongue-sign? A body-sign? Yes. If there is there a nose-sign, a tongue-sign, a body-sign, then indeed it should be said: “The self-existence in the realm of form is endowed with six sense-bases.” The discourse on sense-bases in the realm of form is finished. 8. The Eighth Chapter (80) 8. Discourse on Form in the Formless 524. Is there form in the formless realms? Yes. Is it a realm of form, a destination of form, an abode of beings of form, a cycle of rebirth of form, a birth-origin of form, an attainment of self-existence of form? It should not be said so… (etc.)… Is it not a realm of the formless, a destination of the formless, an abode of beings of the formless, a cycle of rebirth of the formless, a birth-origin of the formless, an attainment of self-existence of the formless? Yes. If it is a realm of the formless… (etc.)… an attainment of self-existence of the formless, then indeed it should not be said: “There is form in the formless realms.” Is there form in the formless realms? Yes. Is it a five-constituent realm, a destination, an abode of beings, a cycle of rebirth, a birth-origin, a station of consciousness, an attainment of self-existence? It should not be said so… (etc.)… Is it not a four-constituent realm… (etc.)… an attainment of self-existence? Yes. If it is a four-constituent realm, a destination… (etc.)… an attainment of self-existence, then indeed it should not be said: “There is form in the formless realms.” 525. Is there form in the realm of form, and is that a realm of form, a destination of form, an abode of beings of form, a cycle of rebirth of form, a birth-origin of form, an attainment of self-existence of form? Yes. Is there form in the formless realms, and is that a realm of form, a destination of form… (etc.)… an attainment of self-existence of form? It should not be said so… (etc.)… Is there form in the realm of form, and is that a five-constituent realm, a destination… (etc.)… an attainment of self-existence? Yes. Is there form in the formless realms, and is that a five-constituent realm, a destination… ... acquisition of self-existence? It should not be said thus... Is there form in the formless realms? And is that a formless existence, a formless destination, a dwelling of formless beings, a formless wandering, a formless birth, an acquisition of formless self-existence? Yes. Is there form in the form realm? And is that a formless existence, a formless destination... an acquisition of formless self-existence? It should not be said thus... Is there form in the formless realms? And is that an existence of four constituents, a destination... an acquisition of self-existence? Yes. Is there form in the form realm? And is that an existence of four constituents, a destination... an acquisition of self-existence? It should not be said thus... 526. Is there form in the formless realms? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One