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14. Chapter Fourteen (136) 1. Discussion on the Re-establishment of Wholesome and Unwholesome 686. Does an unwholesome root re-establish a wholesome root? Yes. Is the turning towards… (etc.)… aspiration for the arising of the unwholesome, the very same turning towards… (etc.)… aspiration for the arising of the wholesome? It should not be said thus… (etc.). An unwholesome root re-establishes a wholesome root, and it should not be said: “Is the turning towards… (etc.)… aspiration for the arising of the unwholesome, the very same turning towards… (etc.)… aspiration for the arising of the wholesome?” Yes. Does the wholesome arise for one who does not turn towards it… (etc.)… does not aspire to it? It should not be said thus… (etc.). Does not the wholesome arise for one who turns towards it… (etc.)… aspires to it? Yes. If the wholesome arises for one who turns towards it… (etc.)… aspires to it, then surely it should not be said: “An unwholesome root re-establishes a wholesome root.” 687. Does an unwholesome root re-establish a wholesome root? Yes. Does an unwholesome root arise for one who attends unwisely? Yes. Does the wholesome arise for one who attends unwisely? It should not be said thus… (etc.). Does not the wholesome arise for one who attends wisely? Yes. If the wholesome arises for one who attends wisely, then surely it should not be said: “An unwholesome root re-establishes a wholesome root.” Does an unwholesome root re-establish a wholesome root? Yes. Does the perception of renunciation arise immediately after the perception of sensual desire? Does the perception of non-ill-will arise immediately after the perception of ill-will? Does the perception of non-harming arise immediately after the perception of harming? Does loving-kindness arise immediately after ill-will? Does compassion arise immediately after harming? Does appreciative joy arise immediately after discontent? Does equanimity arise immediately after aversion? It should not be said thus… (etc.). 688. Does a wholesome root re-establish an unwholesome root? Yes. Is the turning towards… (etc.)… aspiration for the arising of the wholesome, the very same turning towards for the arising of the unwholesome? ...not aspiring? It should not be said thus... Does a wholesome root connect with an unwholesome root? Should it not be said: "That turning towards... aspiration for skillfulness' arising, is that same turning towards... aspiration for unskillfulness' arising?" Yes. Does unskillfulness arise for one not turning towards it... not aspiring for it? It should not be said thus... Does not unskillfulness arise for one turning towards it... aspiring for it? Yes. If indeed unskillfulness arises for one turning towards it... aspiring for it, then indeed it should not be said: "A wholesome root connects with an unwholesome root." 689. Does a wholesome root connect with an unwholesome root? Yes. Does skillfulness arise for one attending wisely? Yes. Does unskillfulness arise for one attending wisely? It should not be said thus... Does not unskillfulness arise for one attending unwisely? Yes. If indeed unskillfulness arises for one attending unwisely, then indeed it should not be said: "A wholesome root connects with an unwholesome root." Does a wholesome root connect with an unwholesome root? Yes. Immediately after the perception of renunciation, does the perception of sensual desire arise? Immediately after the perception of non-ill-will, does the perception of ill-will arise? Immediately after the perception of non-harming, does the perception of harming arise? Immediately after loving-kindness, does ill-will arise? Immediately after compassion, does harming arise? Immediately after sympathetic joy, does discontent arise? Immediately after equanimity, does aversion arise? It should not be said thus... 690. Should it not be said: "An unwholesome root connects with a wholesome root, a wholesome root connects with an unwholesome root?" Yes. Is it not that in the very object one is attached to, one becomes dispassionate, and in the very object one becomes dispassionate, one becomes attached? Yes. If indeed in the very object one is attached to, one becomes dispassionate, and in the very object one becomes dispassionate, one becomes attached, Today, therefore, it should be said: "An unwholesome root reconnects with a wholesome root, a wholesome root reconnects with an unwholesome root." The discourse on the reconnection of wholesome and unwholesome [roots] is concluded. 14. The Fourteenth Chapter (137) 2. Discourse on the Arising of the Six Sense Bases 691. Do the six sense bases arise simultaneously in the mother's womb? Yes. Does one enter the mother's womb with all limbs and sub-limbs, with unimpaired faculties? It should not be said thus (etc.). Does the eye-base arise with the rebirth-linking consciousness? Yes. Do hands arise with the rebirth-linking consciousness? Do feet arise? Does the head arise? Does an ear arise? Does a nose arise? Does a mouth arise? Do teeth arise? It should not be said thus (etc.). Does the ear-base (etc.) nose-base (etc.) tongue-base arise with the rebirth-linking consciousness? Yes. Do hands arise with the rebirth-linking consciousness? Do feet arise? Does the head arise? Does an ear arise? Does a nose arise? Does a mouth arise? Do teeth arise? It should not be said thus (etc.). 692. Does the eye-base arise later for one who has entered the mother's womb? Yes. Does one perform kamma in the mother's womb for the acquisition of the eye? It should not be said thus (etc.). Does the ear-base (etc.) nose-base (etc.) tongue-base arise later for one who has entered the mother's womb? Yes. Does one perform kamma in the mother's womb for the acquisition of the tongue? It should not be said thus (etc.). Do hairs, body-hairs, nails, teeth, bones arise later for one who has entered the mother's womb? Yes. Does one perform kamma in the mother's womb for the acquisition of bones? It should not be said thus (etc.). Should it not be said: "Hairs, body-hairs, nails, teeth, bones arise later for one who has entered the mother's womb"? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One – "First there is the embryo, from the embryo there is the 'bubble'; From the 'bubble' arises the 'flesh-piece', from the 'flesh-piece' develops the 'solid mass'; From the 'solid mass' [arise] the branches come forth, hairs, body hairs, and nails too. “And whatever his mother eats, food, drink, and nourishment; By that he subsists there, the man gone into the mother’s womb.” Is there such a Sutta? Yes. Then for one gone into the mother’s womb, later hairs, body hairs, nails, teeth, and bones arise. The discussion on the arising of the six sense bases is finished. 14. The Fourteenth Chapter (138) 3. Discussion on Immediate Condition 693. Does ear-consciousness arise immediately after eye-consciousness? Yes. Is the turning… (etc.)… and aspiration for the arising of eye-consciousness the same turning… (etc.)… and aspiration for the arising of ear-consciousness? It should not be said so… (etc.)…. Ear-consciousness arises immediately after eye-consciousness, but it should not be said – “Is the turning… (etc.)… and aspiration for the arising of eye-consciousness the same turning… (etc.)… and aspiration for the arising of ear-consciousness?” Yes. Does ear-consciousness arise for one who is not turning… (etc.)… not aspiring? It should not be said so… (etc.)…. Does not ear-consciousness arise for one who is turning… (etc.)… aspiring? Yes. If ear-consciousness arises for one who is turning… (etc.)… aspiring, then it should not be said – “Ear-consciousness arises immediately after eye-consciousness.” 694. Does ear-consciousness arise immediately after eye-consciousness? Yes. Does eye-consciousness arise for one attending to a visual object? Yes. Does ear-consciousness arise for one attending to a visual object? It should not be said so… (etc.)…. Is eye-consciousness only a visual object, not another object? Yes. Is ear-consciousness only a visual object, not another object? It should not be said so… (etc.)…. Does eye-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and forms? Yes. Does ear-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and forms? It should not be said so… (etc.)…. Does ear-consciousness arise dependent on the eye and forms? Yes. “Dependent on the eye and forms, 'ear-consciousness arises' – is there such a Sutta? No. 'depending on eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises' – is there such a Sutta? Yes. If 'depending on eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises' is indeed a Sutta, then it should not be said – 'depending on eye and forms, ear-consciousness arises'. Does ear-consciousness arise immediately after eye-consciousness? Yes. Is that same eye-consciousness that ear-consciousness? It should not be said thus... 695. Does nose-consciousness arise immediately after ear-consciousness... does tongue-consciousness arise immediately after nose-consciousness... does body-consciousness arise immediately after tongue-consciousness? Yes. Is the turning... aspiration for the arising of tongue-consciousness, the same turning... aspiration for the arising of body-consciousness? It should not be said thus... Does body-consciousness arise immediately after tongue-consciousness, and should it not be said – 'is the turning... aspiration for the arising of tongue-consciousness, the same turning... aspiration for the arising of body-consciousness'? Yes. Does body-consciousness arise for one who is not turning (attention)... not aspiring? It should not be said thus... Does body-consciousness not arise for one who is turning (attention)... aspiring? Yes. If body-consciousness arises for one who is turning (attention)... aspiring, then it should not be said – 'body-consciousness arises immediately after tongue-consciousness'. 696. Does body-consciousness arise immediately after tongue-consciousness? Yes. Does tongue-consciousness arise