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It should not be said thus... Is the mind non-form, is mental action non-form? Yes. Is the body non-form, is bodily action non-form? It should not be said thus... Is the body form, is bodily action form? Yes. Is the eye sense-base form, is eye-consciousness form? It should not be said thus... Is the body form? Is bodily action form? Yes. Is the ear-faculty form? Is ear-consciousness form? It should not be said thus. Is the body form? Is bodily action form? Yes. Is the nose-faculty form? Is nose-consciousness form? It should not be said thus. Is the body form? Is bodily action form? Yes. Is the tongue-faculty form? Is tongue-consciousness form? It should not be said thus. Is the body form? Is bodily action form? Yes. Is the body-faculty form? Is body-consciousness form? It should not be said thus. 539. Is form kamma? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One: "Monks, I declare volition to be kamma; having willed, one performs kamma by body, speech, and mind"? Is there such a discourse? Yes. Therefore, it should not be said: "Form is kamma." Is form kamma? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One: "Ananda, when there is a body, due to bodily volition, internal pleasure and pain arise; Ananda, when there is speech, due to verbal volition, internal pleasure and pain arise; Ananda, when there is mind, due to mental volition, internal pleasure and pain arise"? Is there such a discourse? Yes. Therefore, it should not be said: "Form is kamma." Is form kamma? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One: "Monks, there are three kinds of bodily volition, unwholesome bodily kamma, painful in its arising, painful in its result; Monks, there are four kinds of verbal volition, unwholesome verbal kamma, painful in its arising, painful in its result; Monks, there are three kinds of mental volition, unwholesome mental kamma, painful in its arising, painful in its result; Monks, there are three kinds of bodily volition, wholesome bodily kamma, pleasant in its arising, pleasant in its result; Monks, there are four kinds of verbal volition, wholesome verbal kamma, pleasant in its arising, pleasant in its result; three kinds... monks, mental volition is wholesome mental action, with a pleasant outcome, with a pleasant result.” Is there such a Sutta? Yes, there is. Then it should not be said, “Form is kamma.” Is form kamma? Yes, it is. Has it not been said by the Blessed One, “If, Ānanda, this foolish man Samiddhi, when questioned thus by the wanderer Pāṭaliputta, were to answer thus: ‘Having performed kamma, friend Pāṭaliputta, by body, speech, or mind, that is to be felt as pleasure, he feels pleasure; having performed kamma, friend Pāṭaliputta, by body, speech, or mind, that is to be felt as pain, he feels pain; having performed kamma, friend Pāṭaliputta, by body, speech, or mind, that is to be felt as neither-painful-nor-pleasant, he feels neither-painful-nor-pleasant,’ then, Ānanda, the foolish man Samiddhi, answering thus to the wanderer Pāṭaliputta, would be answering correctly”? Is there such a Sutta? Yes, there is. Then it should not be said, “Form is kamma.” The discussion on “Form is kamma” is finished. 8. The Eighth Chapter (82) 10. Discussion on the Life Faculty 540. Is there no life faculty of form? Yes, there is not. Is there no life, duration, carrying on, maintaining, movement, continuance, preservation of phenomena of form? It should not be said thus… (as before) … Is there life, duration, carrying on, maintaining, movement, continuance, preservation of phenomena of form? Yes, there is. If there is life, duration, carrying on, maintaining, movement, continuance, preservation of phenomena of form, then it should certainly not be said, “There is no life faculty of form.” Is there life, duration, carrying on, maintaining, movement, continuance, preservation of formless phenomena, and is there a life faculty of formless phenomena? Yes, there is. Is there life, duration, carrying on, maintaining, movement, continuance, preservation of phenomena of form, and is there a life faculty of form? It should not be said thus… (as before) … Is there life, duration, Maintenance, carrying on, movement, going on, protection— is there no life-faculty of form? Yes. For formless phenomena, is there life, duration, maintenance, carrying on, movement, going on, protection— is there no life-faculty of the formless? It should not be said thus... Is the life of formless phenomena the formless life-faculty? Yes. Is the life of form phenomena the form life-faculty? It should not be said thus... Should the life of form phenomena not be called "form life-faculty"? Yes. Should the life of formless phenomena not be called "formless life-faculty"? It should not be said thus... 541. Is the life of form phenomena the formless life-faculty? Yes. Is the life of formless phenomena the form life-faculty? It should not be said thus... Should the life of formless phenomena not be called "form life-faculty"? Yes. Should the life of form phenomena not be called "formless life-faculty"? It should not be said thus... Is the life of both form and formless phenomena the formless life-faculty? Yes. Is the life of both form and formless phenomena the form life-faculty? It should not be said thus... Should the life of both form and formless phenomena not be called "form life-faculty"? Yes. Should the life of both form and formless phenomena not be called "formless life-faculty"? It should not be said thus... Is there no form life-faculty? Yes. Is there no life-faculty for one who has attained cessation? It should not be said thus... 542. Is there a life-faculty for one who has attained cessation? Yes. If there is a life-faculty for one who has attained cessation, then it should certainly not be said, "There is no form life-faculty." Is there a life-faculty for one who has attained cessation? Yes. Under which aggregate is it included? It is included under the aggregate of formations. Is there an aggregate of formations for one who has attained cessation? It should not be said thus... Is there an aggregate of formations for one who has attained cessation? Yes. For one who has attained cessation, is there a feeling aggregate, a perception aggregate, a consciousness aggregate? It should not be said thus. For one who has attained cessation, is there a feeling aggregate, a perception aggregate, a consciousness aggregate? Yes. Is he not one who has attained cessation? It should not be said thus. 543. Is there no material life faculty? Yes. For non-percipient beings, is there no life faculty? It should not be said thus. For non-percipient beings, is there a life faculty? Yes. If for non-percipient beings there is a life faculty, then it should not be said: "There is no material life faculty." For non-percipient beings, is there a life faculty? Yes. Under which aggregate is it included? It is included under the aggregate of formations. For non-percipient beings, is there an aggregate of formations? It should not be said thus. For non-percipient beings, is there an aggregate of formations? Yes. For non-percipient beings, is there a feeling aggregate, a perception aggregate, a consciousness aggregate? It should not be said thus. For non-percipient beings, is there a feeling aggregate, a perception aggregate, a consciousness aggregate? Yes. Is it a five-constituent existence? It should not be said thus. 544. The life faculty arisen with the rebirth-linking consciousness, does it perish in part when the rebirth-linking consciousness perishes? Yes. Contact arisen with the rebirth-linking consciousness, does it perish in part when the rebirth-linking consciousness perishes? It should not be said thus. Contact arisen with the rebirth-linking consciousness, does it perish completely when the rebirth-linking consciousness perishes? Yes. The life faculty arisen with the rebirth-linking consciousness, does it perish completely when the rebirth-linking consciousness perishes? It should not be said thus. 545. Are there two life faculties? Yes. Does one live by two lives, die by two deaths? Yes. The discourse on the life faculty is concluded. 8. The Eighth Chapter (83) 11. Rooted in Kamma Due to kamma, does an Arahant fall from Arahantship? Yes. Due to kamma, does a Stream-enterer fall from the fruit of Stream-entry? It should not be said so. (etc.) Due to kamma, does an Arahant fall from Arahantship? Yes. Due to kamma, does a Once-returner (etc.) a Non-returner fall from the fruit of Non-return? It should not be said so. (etc.) Due to kamma, does a Stream-enterer not fall from the fruit of Stream-entry? Yes. Due to kamma, does an Arahant not fall from Arahantship? It should not be said so. (etc.) Due to kamma, does a Once-returner (etc.) a Non-returner not fall from the fruit of Non-return? Yes. Due to kamma, does an Arahant not fall from Arahantship? It should not be said so. (etc.) Due to kamma, does an Arahant fall from Arahantship? Yes. Is it due to the kamma of taking life? It should not be said so. (etc.) ...due to the kamma of taking what is not given? (etc.) ...due to the kamma of sexual misconduct? ...due to the kamma of false speech? ...due to the kamma of divisive speech? ...due to the kamma of harsh speech? ...due to the kamma of idle chatter? ...due to the kamma of matricide? ...due to the kamma of patricide? ...due to the kamma of killing an Arahant? ...due to the kamma of shedding blood? (etc.) ...due to the kamma of causing a schism in the Sangha? It should not be said so. (etc.) Due to what kamma then? Indeed, it is due to slandering Arahants. Due to the kamma of slandering Arahants, does an Arahant fall from Arahantship? Yes. Do all who slander Arahants realize Arahantship? It should not be said so. (etc.) The discourse on the cause of kamma is concluded. The Eighth Chapter. Its summary – Six destinations, intermediate existence, five sense pleasures, sense sphere, five sense bases, desires,