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B01030502parihānikathā (error debate)

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There is no accumulation of what is done, there is nothing to be done. “As a solid rock, is not stirred by the wind; So too, forms, tastes, sounds, smells, and touches, all of them, “Desirable things and undesirable things, do not agitate such a one; Their mind is steady, liberated, and they see its passing away.” Is there such a discourse? Yes, there is. Then it should not be said – “there is accumulation of what is done.” 267. Should it not be said – “an Arahant falls away from Arahantship”? Yes, it should not. Has it not been said by the Blessed One – “Monks, these five things lead to the decline of a bhikkhu liberated at a certain time. Which five? Delight in work, delight in talk, delight in sleep, delight in company, not reviewing one’s mind as it is liberated. These five things, monks, lead to the decline of a bhikkhu liberated at a certain time.” Is there such a discourse? Yes, there is. Then an Arahant falls away from Arahantship. Is there delight in work for an Arahant? It should not be said so. Is there delight in work for an Arahant? Yes, there is. Is there lust for an Arahant, sensual lust, the arising of sensual lust, the fetter of sensual lust, the flood of sensuality, the yoke of sensuality, the hindrance of sensual desire? It should not be said so. Is there delight in talk for an Arahant, is there delight in sleep for an Arahant, is there delight in company for an Arahant? It should not be said so. Is there delight in company for an Arahant? Yes, there is. Is there lust for an Arahant, sensual lust, the arising of sensual lust, the fetter of sensual lust, Is the flood of sensual desire, the yoke of sensual desire, the hindrance of sensual desire? It should not be said thus. 268. Does an Arahant fall away from Arahantship? Yes. When an Arahant falls away from Arahantship, being overcome by what does he fall away? Being overcome by lust, he falls away. Depending on what does being overcome arise? Depending on underlying tendencies, it arises. Does an Arahant have underlying tendencies? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant have underlying tendencies? Yes. Does an Arahant have the underlying tendency of sensual lust, the underlying tendency of aversion, the underlying tendency of conceit, the underlying tendency of views, the underlying tendency of doubt, the underlying tendency of craving for existence, the underlying tendency of ignorance? It should not be said thus. Being overcome by hatred, he falls away... Being overcome by delusion, he falls away. Depending on what does being overcome arise? Depending on underlying tendencies, it arises. Does an Arahant have underlying tendencies? It should not be said thus... Does an Arahant have underlying tendencies? Yes. Does an Arahant have the underlying tendency of sensual lust... the underlying tendency of ignorance? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant fall away from Arahantship? Yes. When an Arahant falls away from Arahantship, what increases for him? Lust increases. Does identity view increase, does doubt increase, does adherence to rites and rituals increase? It should not be said thus. Does hatred increase... does delusion increase, does identity view increase, does doubt increase, does adherence to rites and rituals increase? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant fall away from Arahantship? Yes. Does an Arahant accumulate? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant diminish? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant abandon? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant grasp? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant unravel? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant tighten? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant dispel? It should not be said thus. Does an Arahant intensify? It should not be said thus. Is it not that an Arahant neither accumulates nor diminishes, but stands having diminished? Yes. If an Arahant... Indeed, he neither accumulates nor diminishes, having diminished, he stands. Surely, it should not be said: "An Arahant falls away from Arahantship." Surely, does an Arahant neither abandon nor grasp, having abandoned, he stands? Yes, indeed. If an Arahant neither abandons nor grasps, having abandoned, he stands, Surely, it should not be said: "An Arahant falls away from Arahantship." Surely, does an Arahant neither wither nor swell, having withered, he stands? Yes, indeed. If an Arahant neither withers nor swells, having withered, he stands, Surely, it should not be said: "An Arahant falls away from Arahantship." Surely, does an Arahant neither shake off nor gather, having shaken off, he stands? Yes, indeed. If an Arahant neither shakes off nor gathers, having shaken off, he stands, Surely, it should not be said: "An Arahant falls away from Arahantship." The discourse on falling away is concluded.

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