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what we asked you, you have declared to us. "Now we ask you something else, please tell us that." We ask you something else, we request something else, we implore something else, we please you with something else, we ask you further. Please tell us that. Speak! Come, speak! Explain, teach, make known, establish, unfold, distinguish, make clear, make manifest! We ask you another, that, pray, tell! Do some here, among the wise, declare this to be the highest purity for a being? Some recluses and brahmins declare, say, speak, make manifest, use these formless attainments as the highest, best, most distinguished, foremost, supreme, excellent. Of a being: of a creature, a man, a human, a person, an individual, a living being, a waking being, a sentient being, an Indra-born, a human being. Purity: purity, purification, complete purification, liberation, release, complete release. Here among the wise: here, those who speak wisely, speak firmly, speak according to method, speak with reason, speak with characteristics, speak with cause, speak with basis, according to their own doctrine. Do some here, among the wise, declare this to be the highest purity for a being? Or do they declare something else beyond this? Or do some recluses and brahmins, having gone beyond, having completely gone beyond, having transcended these formless attainments, declare, say, speak, make manifest, use something else, a further purity, purification, complete purification, liberation, release, complete release for a being, beyond these formless attainments? Or do they declare something else beyond this? Therefore, the created one said – What we asked you, you have declared to us. We ask you another, that, pray, tell! Do some here, among the wise, declare this to be the highest purity for a being? Or do they declare something else beyond this? 111. Some here, among the wise, declare even this to be the highest purity for a being; But among them, some declare a doctrine of the unconditioned, skilled in pronouncements. Some here, among the wise, declare even this to be the highest purity for a being. There are some recluses and brahmins, eternalists, who declare, say, speak, make manifest, use these formless attainments as the highest, best, most distinguished, foremost, supreme, excellent. Of a being: of a creature, a man, a human, a person, an individual, a living being, a waking being, a sentient being... Of an exalted, chief human being. "Purity" means purity, complete purity, absolute purity. "Freedom" means freedom, liberation, complete liberation. "Here, the wise ones say" means here, the statements of the wise, firm statements, logical statements, reasoned statements, characteristic statements, causal statements, positional statements, according to their own doctrine – Even to this extent, some here, the wise ones, speak of the purity of a being. But some of them speak of a doctrine, of the excellent statements concerning the remainderless. Among those very ascetics and brahmins, some ascetics and brahmins are annihilationists, tormented by becoming, delighting in non-existence. They speak of the calming, the appeasement, the cessation, the complete tranquility of a being. "Because, sirs, this self, at the breaking up of the body, is cut off, perishes, does not exist after death; to this extent, it is remainderless." "Excellent statements" means excellent statements, statements of the wise, firm statements, logical statements, reasoned statements, characteristic statements, causal statements, positional statements, according to their own doctrine – But some of them speak of a doctrine, of the excellent statements concerning the remainderless. Therefore the Blessed One said: "Even to this extent, some here, the wise ones, speak of the purity of a being; But some of them speak of a doctrine, of the excellent statements concerning the remainderless." 112. And having known these, dependent ones, the sage, having known the dependencies, investigates; Liberated by knowing, he does not enter into dispute, the wise one does not agree with becoming or non-becoming. "And having known these, dependent ones." "These" means those holding views. "Dependent ones" means having known those dependent on the eternalist view, having known those dependent on the annihilationist view, having known those dependent on the eternalist-annihilationist view, having understood, having weighed, having discerned, having clarified, having made clear – "And having known these, dependent ones." "The sage, having known the dependencies, investigates." "Sage" means. Silence is called knowledge... ...having crossed the net of attachment, he is a sage. The sage, having known those dependent on the eternalist view, having known those dependent on the annihilationist view, having known those dependent on the eternalist-annihilationist view, having understood, having weighed, having discerned, having clarified, having made clear. "He investigates" means he is wise, discerning, intelligent, knowing, clarifying, sagacious. Knowing, the sage examines his dependencies. Knowing, released, he does not engage in dispute. Knowing, understanding, weighing, concluding, making clear, making manifest. "Released" means freed, released, fully released, well-released, by release utterly without clinging. "All formations are impermanent" – knowing, understanding, weighing, concluding, making clear, making manifest, freed, released, fully released, well-released, by release utterly without clinging. "All formations are suffering" – ... "All phenomena are not-self" – ... "Whatever is of the nature to arise, all that is of the nature to cease" – knowing, understanding, weighing, concluding, making clear, making manifest, freed, released, fully released, well-released, by release utterly without clinging – thus, knowing, released. "Does not engage in dispute" means does not make quarrel, does not make contention, does not make strife, does not make dispute, does not make conflict. For this was said by the Blessed One: "Indeed, Aggivessana, a bhikkhu whose mind is thus released does not converse with anyone, does not dispute with anyone, and what is said in the world, he uses that, without clinging." Thus, knowing, released, he does not engage in dispute. The wise one does not come to be for existence or non-existence. "For existence or non-existence" means for existence, for kamma-existence, for re-existence, for sense-sphere existence, for kamma-existence, for sense-sphere existence, for re-existence, for form-sphere existence, for kamma-existence, for form-sphere existence, for re-existence, for formless-sphere existence, for kamma-existence, for formless-sphere existence, for re-existence, for repeated existence, for repeated destination, for repeated rebirth, for repeated re-linking, for repeated individuality, for repeated manifestation. He does not come to be, does not come together, does not grasp, does not cling, does not adhere. "Wise one" means wise, sagacious, discerning, intelligent, knowing, understanding, astute. Thus, the wise one does not come to be for existence or non-existence. Therefore, the Blessed One said: "Knowing these dependencies, the sage, knowing, examines his dependencies; Knowing, released, he does not engage in dispute, the wise one does not come to be for existence or non-existence." The Explanation of the Discourse on Quarrel and Dispute, One. [Translation Failed] Segment 27 (English) could not be translated. [Translation Failed for English]