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When an ordinary person is experiencing wholesome or indeterminate consciousness, should it be said that they are "with latent tendencies"? Yes. Are the latent tendencies associated with that consciousness? It should not be said so. Therefore, latent tendencies are dissociated from consciousness. is not conjoined. When a mundane person's mind is in a wholesome-indeterminate state, should it be said "with lust"? Yes. Is lust conjoined with that mind? It should not be said so. Then lust is disjoined from the mind. Thus, the discourse on latent tendencies is finished. 11. The Eleventh Chapter (109) 4. Discourse on Knowledge 614. When ignorance is gone, and the mind is disjoined from knowledge, should it not be said "one with knowledge"? Yes. When lust is gone, should it not be said "one without lust"? It should not be said so... (etc.) When ignorance is gone, and the mind is disjoined from knowledge, should it not be said "one with knowledge"? Yes. When hatred is gone... when delusion is gone... when defilements are gone, should it not be said "one without defilements"? It should not be said so... (etc.) When lust is gone, should it be said "one without lust"? Yes. When ignorance is gone, and the mind is disjoined from knowledge, should it be said "one with knowledge"? It should not be said so... (etc.) When hatred is gone... when delusion is gone... when defilements are gone, should it be said "one without defilements"? Yes. When ignorance is gone, and the mind is disjoined from knowledge, should it be said "one with knowledge"? It should not be said so... (etc.) 615. When ignorance is gone, and the mind is disjoined from knowledge, should it be said "one with knowledge"? Yes. Is one with knowledge, with past knowledge, with ceased knowledge, with gone knowledge, with tranquilized knowledge? It should not be said so... (etc.) The discourse on knowledge is finished. 11. The Eleventh Chapter (110) 5. Discourse on Knowledge Being Disjoined from Mind 616. Is knowledge disjoined from mind? Yes. Is form, Nibbāna, the eye-sense... (etc.) ...the touch-sense? It should not be said so... (etc.) Is knowledge disjoined from mind? Yes. Is wisdom, the faculty of wisdom, the power of wisdom, right view, the enlightenment factor of investigation of states, disjoined from mind? It should not be said so... (etc.) Is wisdom, the faculty of wisdom, the power of wisdom, right view, the enlightenment factor of investigation of states, conjoined with mind? Yes. Is knowledge conjoined with mind? It should not be said so... (etc.) Is knowledge disjoined from mind? Yes. Under which aggregate is it included? Included in the aggregate of formations? Is the aggregate of formations disjoined from consciousness? It should not be said thus… Is the aggregate of formations disjoined from consciousness? Yes. Are the aggregate of feeling, the aggregate of perception, disjoined from consciousness? It should not be said thus… Is knowledge, included in the aggregate of formations, disjoined from consciousness? Yes. Is wisdom, included in the aggregate of formations, disjoined from consciousness? It should not be said thus… Is wisdom, included in the aggregate of formations, conjoined with consciousness? Yes. Is knowledge, included in the aggregate of formations, conjoined with consciousness? It should not be said thus… Is knowledge, included in the aggregate of formations, disjoined from consciousness, and wisdom, included in the aggregate of formations, conjoined with consciousness? Yes. Is the aggregate of formations partly conjoined with consciousness and partly disjoined from consciousness? It should not be said thus… Is the aggregate of formations partly conjoined with consciousness and partly disjoined from consciousness? Yes. Are the aggregate of feeling, the aggregate of perception, partly conjoined with consciousness and partly disjoined from consciousness? It should not be said thus… 617. Should it not be said: “Knowledge is disjoined from consciousness”? Yes. Is an Arahant endowed with eye-consciousness to be called “one with knowledge”? Yes. Is knowledge conjoined with that consciousness? It should not be said thus. Then knowledge is disjoined from consciousness. Is an Arahant endowed with eye-consciousness to be called “one with wisdom”? Yes. Is wisdom conjoined with that consciousness? It should not be said thus. Then wisdom is disjoined from consciousness. The discussion on knowledge being disjoined from consciousness is concluded. 11. The Eleventh Chapter (111) 6. The Discussion on “This is Suffering” 618. When uttering the word “This is suffering,” does the knowledge “This is suffering” arise? Yes. When uttering the word “This is the origin of suffering,” does the knowledge “This is the origin of suffering” arise? It should not be said thus… When uttering the word “This is suffering,” does the knowledge “This is suffering” arise? Yes. End. When one speaks the word "This is the cessation of suffering," does the knowledge "This is the cessation of suffering" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "This is the path," does the knowledge "This is the path" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is the origin," does the knowledge "This is the origin" not arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" not arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is cessation"... "This is the path," does the knowledge "This is the path" not arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" not arise? No, it should not be said so... 619. When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "Form is impermanent," does the knowledge "Form is impermanent" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" arise? Yes. Feeling... perception... formations... When one speaks the word "Consciousness is impermanent," does the knowledge "Consciousness is impermanent" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "Form is not-self," does the knowledge "Form is not-self" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" arise? Yes. Feeling... perception... formations... When one speaks the word "Consciousness is not-self," does the knowledge "Consciousness is not-self" arise? No, it should not be said so... When one speaks the word "Form is impermanent," does the knowledge "Form is impermanent" not arise? Yes. When one speaks the word "This is suffering," does the knowledge "This is suffering" not arise? No. Thus it should be said… …feeling… perception… formations… When one speaks the words, “Consciousness is impermanent,” Does the knowledge, “Consciousness is impermanent,” Not arise? Yes. When one speaks the words, “This is suffering,” Does the knowledge, “This is suffering,” Not arise? It should not be said thus… When one speaks the words, “Form is not self,” Does the knowledge, “Form is not self,” Not arise? Yes. When one speaks the words, “This is suffering,” Does the knowledge, “This is suffering,” Not arise? It should not be said thus… …feeling… perception… formations… When one speaks the words, “Consciousness is not self,” Does the knowledge, “Consciousness is not self,” Not arise? Yes. When one speaks the words, “This is suffering,” Does the knowledge, “This is suffering,” Not arise? It should not be said thus… 620. When one speaks the words, “This is suffering,” Does the knowledge, “This is suffering,” Arise? Yes. Does the knowledge arise Of “this,” And “is,” And “suf,” And “fering”? It should not be said thus… The discussion on “This is suffering” is finished. 11. The Eleventh Chapter (112) 7. The Discussion on Power of Psychic Potency 621. Can one endowed with psychic potency Remain for an eon? Yes. Is that life made of psychic potency, Is that destination made of psychic potency, Is that acquisition of self-existence Made of psychic potency? It should not be said thus… Can one endowed with psychic potency Remain for an eon? Yes. Can one remain for a past eon, Can one remain for a future eon? It should not be said thus… …Can one endowed with psychic potency Remain for an eon? Yes. Can one remain for two eons, Can one remain for three eons, Can one remain for four eons? It should not be said thus… …Can one endowed with psychic potency Remain for an eon? Yes. Can one remain when life is present, When there is a remainder of life, Or when life is not present, When there is a remainder of life? One can remain when life is present, When there is a remainder of life. If one can remain when life is present, When there is a remainder of life, Then it should not be said, “One endowed with psychic potency…” endowed with psychic power would remain for an eon.” If there is no life, would he remain for the remainder of life? Would a dead person remain? Would one who has passed away remain? It should not be said thus… 622. Endowed with psychic power, would he remain for an eon? Yes. Can an arisen contact be held by psychic power so that it does not cease? It should not be said thus… Can an arisen feeling… Can an arisen perception… Can an arisen volition… Can an arisen consciousness… Can an arisen faith… Can an arisen energy… Can an arisen mindfulness… Can an arisen concentration… Can an arisen wisdom be held by psychic power so that it does not cease? It should not be said thus… Endowed with psychic power, would he remain for an eon? Yes. Can form be held by psychic power so that it becomes permanent? It should not be said thus…