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the person is found in ultimate reality, and the faculty of having known is found in ultimate reality,' but it should not be said: 'One is the faculty of having known, another is the person'" – that is wrong. If it should not be said: "One is the faculty of having known, another is the person," then, indeed, it should not be said: "The faculty of having known is found in ultimate reality, and the faculty of knowing is found in ultimate reality, one is the faculty of having known, another is the faculty of knowing, the person is found in ultimate reality, and the faculty of having known is found in ultimate reality." What you say there: "It should be said: 'The faculty of having known is found in ultimate reality, and the faculty of knowing is found in ultimate reality, one is the faculty of having known, another is the faculty of knowing, the person is found in ultimate reality, and the faculty of having known is found in ultimate reality,' but it should not be said: 'One is the faculty of having known, another is the person'" – that is wrong. ... (and so on) ... 37. Form is found in ultimate reality, and feeling is found in ultimate reality. Is one form, another feeling? Yes. It was said by the Blessed One: "There is a person who has entered the path for their own benefit." And is form found in ultimate reality? Yes. Is one form, another the person? Not so. should be said. Understand the counter-argument. If form is found in the ultimate sense, and feeling is found in the ultimate sense, form is one thing, feeling is another, it was said by the Blessed One – "there is a person devoted to their own welfare," and form is found in the ultimate sense; then indeed, it should be said – form is one thing, the person is another. What you say there – "It should indeed be said – 'form is found in the ultimate sense, and feeling is found in the ultimate sense, form is one thing, feeling is another, it was said by the Blessed One – there is a person devoted to their own welfare, and form is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said – 'form is one thing, the person is another'" – that is wrong. But if it should not be said – "form is one thing, the person is another," then indeed, it should not be said – "form is found in the ultimate sense, and feeling is found in the ultimate sense, form is one thing, feeling is another, it was said by the Blessed One – 'there is a person devoted to their own welfare,' and form is found in the ultimate sense." What you say there – "It should indeed be said – 'form is found in the ultimate sense, and feeling is found in the ultimate sense, form is one thing, feeling is another, it was said by the Blessed One – there is a person devoted to their own welfare, and form is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said – 'form is one thing, the person is another'" – that is wrong... 38. Form is found in the ultimate sense, and perception is found... and volitional formations are found... and consciousness is found in the ultimate sense... 39. Feeling is found in the ultimate sense, and perception is found... and volitional formations are found... and consciousness is found... and form is found in the ultimate sense... 40. Perception is found in the ultimate sense, s Formations are found, And consciousness is found, And form is found, And feeling is found, in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth. 41. Formations are found in the ultimate sense of reality. And consciousness is found, And form is found, And feeling is found, And perception is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth. 42. Consciousness is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And form is found, And feeling is found, And perception is found, And formations are found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth. 43. Eye-base is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And ear-base is found, And nose-base is found, And tongue-base is found, And body-base is found, And mind-base is found, And form-base is found, And sound-base is found, And odour-base is found, And taste-base is found, And tangible-base is found, And mental-object-base is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with ear-base, and so forth, up to mental-object-base, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with eye-base, and so forth, up to mind-base, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth. 44. Eye-element is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And ear-element is found, And nose-element is found, And tongue-element is found, And body-element is found, And mind-element is found, And form-element is found, And sound-element is found, And odour-element is found, And taste-element is found, And tangible-element is found, And mental-object-element is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with ear-element, and so forth, up to mental-object-element, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with eye-element, and so forth, up to mind-consciousness-element, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth. 45. Eye-faculty is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And ear-faculty is found, And nose-faculty is found, And tongue-faculty is found, And body-faculty is found, And mind-faculty is found, And femininity-faculty is found, And masculinity-faculty is found, And life-faculty is found, And pleasure-faculty is found, And pain-faculty is found, And joy-faculty is found, And grief-faculty is found, And equanimity-faculty is found, And faith-faculty is found, And energy-faculty is found, And mindfulness-faculty is found, And concentration-faculty is found, And wisdom-faculty is found, And the faculty of knowing the unknown is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with ear-faculty, and so forth, up to the faculty of one who knows, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. And so forth, starting with eye-faculty, and so forth, up to the faculty of final knowledge, each is found in the ultimate sense of reality. Is the faculty of one who knows different from the faculty of final knowledge? Yes. It was said by the Blessed One: "There is a person who is practicing for his own benefit." Is the faculty of one who knows also found in the ultimate sense of reality? Yes. Is the faculty of one who knows different from the faculty of final knowledge? Is the person different? It should not be said thus. Understand the refutation. If indeed the faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, and the faculty of knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the faculty of knowledge, it was said by the Blessed One – "There is a person devoted to his own welfare," and the faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense; then indeed it should be said – "One is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the person." That which you say there – "It should indeed be said – 'The faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, and the faculty of knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the faculty of knowledge, it was said by the Blessed One – there is a person devoted to his own welfare, and the faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense,' but it should not be said – 'one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the person'" – is wrong. If, however, it should not be said – "One is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the person," then indeed it should not be said – "The faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, and the faculty of knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the faculty of knowledge, it was said by the Blessed One – 'there is a person devoted to his own welfare,' and the faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense." That which you say there – "It should indeed be said – 'The faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, and the faculty of knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense, one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the faculty of knowledge, it was said by the Blessed One – there is a person devoted to his own welfare, and the faculty of final knowledge exists in the ultimate true sense,' but it should not be said – 'one is the faculty of final knowledge, another is the person'" – is wrong... Comparison of similes. 7. Comparison of the fourfold method. 46. Does the person exist in the ultimate true sense? Yes. Is form the person? Not so. It should be said. Understand the refutation. If the person is found in the ultimate sense, then indeed it should be said – "Form is the person." What you say there – "Indeed it should be said – 'the person is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said – 'form is the person'" – that is wrong. But if it should not be said – "form is the person," then indeed it should not be said – "the person is found in the ultimate sense." What you say there – "Indeed it should be said – 'the person is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said – 'form is the person'" – that is wrong... 47. Is the person found in the ultimate sense? Yes. Is the person in form...? Is the person apart from form...? Is form in the person? It should not be said so. Understand the refutation. If the person is found in the ultimate sense, then indeed it should be said – "Form is in the person." What you say there – "Indeed it should be said – 'the person is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said – 'form is in the person'" – that is wrong. But if it should not be said – "form is in the person," then indeed it should not be said – "the person is found in the ultimate sense." What you say there – "Indeed it should be said – 'the person is found in the ultimate sense,' but it should not be said –