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B01030501puggalakathā (people debate)

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this, Seniya, is called a teacher of annihilationism. “Therein, Seniya, that teacher who does not declare himself as truly and really existing in this present life, nor does he declare himself as truly and really existing in the life to come— this, Seniya, is called a Perfectly Enlightened One. These, Seniya, are the three teachers who exist and are found in the world.” Is there a Sutta text? Yes, there is. Then it should not be said: “A person is apprehended in the sense of ultimate reality.” 237. Is a person apprehended in the sense of ultimate reality? Yes, he is. Is not the Blessed One a speaker of truth, a speaker at the right time, a speaker of what is real, a speaker of what is so, a speaker of what is not otherwise, a speaker of what is unchangeable? Yes, he is. Has the Blessed One said: “A pot of ghee”? Yes, he has. Does anyone make a pot of ghee? It should not be said so… Therefore, it should not be said: “A person is apprehended in the sense of ultimate reality.” 238. Is a person apprehended in the sense of ultimate reality? Yes, he is. Is not the Blessed One a speaker of truth, a speaker at the right time, a speaker of what is real, a speaker of what is so, a speaker of what is not otherwise, a speaker of what is unchangeable? Yes, he is. Has the Blessed One said: “A pot of oil… a pot of honey… a pot of treacle… a pot of milk… a pot of water… a drinking cup… a drinking bowl… a drinking saucer… regular food… constant gruel”? Yes, he has. Is there any gruel that is constant, permanent, eternal, and not subject to change? It should not be said so. ... Therefore, it should not be said: "A person is found in the ultimate sense of reality." (Abbreviated) Repetitions of eight refutations, beginning with transmigration; The fifth is good by mind, the eighth by the quotation from the discourse on psychic power. Conformity to the ultimate nature of reality. The discourse on the person is concluded.

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