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English version: ‘Is the mind known by its own power?’ The woman said: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti, one of the ten major disciples of the Buddha, known for understanding emptiness)! Whether it be Sravakas (Sravaka, disciples who attain enlightenment by hearing the Buddha's teachings), Pratyekabuddhas (Pratyekabuddha, those who awaken by observing conditions and causes themselves, without relying on a teacher), or Bodhisattvas (Bodhisattva, practitioners who aspire to become Buddhas), or Five-Abilities Immortals (those with five supernatural powers), when they know the minds of sentient beings, know the minds of others, they all know the minds of others through the power of the Buddha. Why? Because all that they do is through the power of the Buddha that they are able to know the minds of others. Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti) also knows the minds of others through the power of the Buddha. Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! It is like relying on the light of the sun and moon, the light of fire, the light of precious jewels, the light of lightning, the light of stars, etc., that those with good eyesight are able to see colors. Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! The world is like this, obscured by ignorance (Avidya, in Buddhism, the delusion and lack of understanding of the true nature of things), even if someone can know the minds of others, it is because of the power of the Tathagata (Tathagata, one of the titles of the Buddha) that they are able to know the minds of others.’ At that time, Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti) said: ‘Please tell me, how did you obtain such eloquence?’ The woman said: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! If someone were to ask someone transformed by the Tathagata (Tathagata): ‘Who are you?’ Then how should that person answer?’ Subhuti (Subhuti) said: ‘There is no way to answer.’ The woman said: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! All dharmas (Dharma, in Buddhism, all things and laws in the universe) are also like this, they are all illusory appearances, and having understood this way, there is no way to answer. ‘Furthermore, Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! If someone were to ask you: ‘Are you an ordinary person? Are you a learner? Are you an Arhat (Arhat, a saint who has extinguished all afflictions and attained liberation)?’ Having asked this, how should you answer?’ At that time, Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti) pondered: ‘How should I answer this woman?’ At that moment, Subhuti (Subhuti) heard a voice in the sky saying: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! Because you have attained something, understood something, realized something, for this reason you are called an Arhat (Arhat), answer the woman in this way!’ At that time, Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti), having heard the voice in the sky, answered the woman, saying: ‘I am not an ordinary person, not a learner, not an Arhat (Arhat).’ The woman said: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! What name do you hold?’ Subhuti (Subhuti) said: ‘Just as someone transformed by the Tathagata (Tathagata) holds a provisional name, so too do I hold a provisional name.’ The woman said: ‘Great Virtue Subhuti (Subhuti)! You are not a Lo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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汉断诸漏耶？如来说汝行无诤第一，应受于供。” 须菩提言：“姊！我非阿罗汉，非尽诸漏，非行无诤为最第一，亦非应供。” 女言：“大德须菩提！何故妄语？” 须菩提言：“姊！若我今者，许阿罗汉，诸漏已尽，行无诤第一，应受供养，即是妄语；我无所许，是故，我今非是妄语，亦非实语。” 女言：“大德须菩提！汝今不诳门中所集见于圣谛诸天子耶！” 须菩提言：“姊！若见圣谛无有能诳。” 女言：“大德须菩提！汝见圣谛耶？” 时须菩提答言：“见已。” 女言：“大德！若见圣谛不名圣谛。何以故？无有能见诸圣谛者。” 女言：“大德须菩提！非见圣谛耶？” 须菩提言：“姊！我不说实亦不说虚。姊！我不见虚，何况见实？” 尔时，大德须菩提复问女言：“姊！见圣谛者何所言说？” 女言：“大德须菩提！见圣谛者不见一切诸法名字，见圣谛者见倒名字。” 须菩提言：“姊！汝何因缘说如是事？” 女言：“大德须菩提！若有颠倒起诸结使，见圣谛已更不复起，以是故说，见颠倒者见诸圣谛。” 尔时，诸天即现其身，礼于大德须菩提已，说如是言：“大德须菩提大得利益，汝 现代汉语译本： ‘你已经断绝了所有的烦恼了吗？’如来说你修行无诤最为第一，应该接受供养。 须菩提（Subhuti，佛陀的十大弟子之一，以解空第一著称）说：‘姐姐！我不是阿罗汉（Arhat，断尽烦恼，证得解脱的圣者），没有断尽所有的烦恼，也不是修行无诤最为第一，也不应该接受供养。’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！你为什么说妄语？’ 须菩提（Subhuti）说：‘姐姐！如果我现在承认自己是阿罗汉（Arhat），已经断尽了所有的烦恼，修行无诤最为第一，应该接受供养，那就是妄语；我没有这样承认，所以，我现在不是说妄语，也不是说实话。’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！你现在不是在欺骗门中所聚集的、见到圣谛（Satya，佛教中的真理）的诸位天子吗！’ 须菩提（Subhuti）说：‘姐姐！如果见到了圣谛（Satya），就没有人能够欺骗。’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！你见到圣谛（Satya）了吗？’ 当时须菩提（Subhuti）回答说：‘见到了。’ 女子说：‘大德！如果见到圣谛（Satya）就不叫做圣谛（Satya）了。为什么呢？因为没有能够见到诸圣谛（Satya）的人。’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！你没有见到圣谛（Satya）吗？’ 须菩提（Subhuti）说：‘姐姐！我不说真实，也不说虚假。姐姐！我没有见到虚假，更何况见到真实呢？’ 当时，大德须菩提（Subhuti）又问女子说：‘姐姐！见到圣谛（Satya）的人会说什么呢？’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！见到圣谛（Satya）的人不见一切诸法的名字，见到圣谛（Satya）的人见到颠倒的名字。’ 须菩提（Subhuti）说：‘姐姐！你因为什么因缘说这样的话？’ 女子说：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）！如果有了颠倒就会生起各种烦恼，见到了圣谛（Satya）之后就不会再产生，因此我说，见到颠倒的人就见到了诸圣谛（Satya）。’ 当时，诸天就显现出他们的身形，礼拜大德须菩提（Subhuti）之后，说这样的话：‘大德须菩提（Subhuti）你获得了巨大的利益，你...’
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English version: ‘Have you extinguished all the outflows (Asrava, mental impurities)?’ The Tathagata (Thus Come One, an epithet of the Buddha) said that you are foremost in practicing non-contention and should receive offerings.’ Subhuti (one of the Buddha's ten principal disciples, known for his understanding of emptiness) said, ‘Sister! I am not an Arhat (one who has extinguished all defilements and attained liberation), I have not extinguished all the outflows, nor am I foremost in practicing non-contention, nor should I receive offerings.’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! Why do you speak falsely?’ Subhuti said, ‘Sister! If I were to now claim to be an Arhat, to have extinguished all the outflows, to be foremost in practicing non-contention, and to deserve offerings, that would be a false statement; I make no such claim, therefore, I am not speaking falsely, nor am I speaking truthfully.’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! Are you not deceiving the devas (gods or celestial beings) gathered at the gate who have seen the Satya (Noble Truths, the fundamental truths in Buddhism)?’ Subhuti said, ‘Sister! If one has seen the Satya (Noble Truths), no one can deceive them.’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! Have you seen the Satya (Noble Truths)?’ At that time, Subhuti replied, ‘I have seen it.’ The woman said, ‘Venerable one! If one has seen the Satya (Noble Truths), it is not called Satya (Noble Truths). Why? Because there is no one who can see the Satyas (Noble Truths).’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! Have you not seen the Satya (Noble Truths)?’ Subhuti said, ‘Sister! I do not speak of reality, nor do I speak of falsehood. Sister! I have not seen falsehood, how much less have I seen reality?’ At that time, the Venerable Subhuti again asked the woman, ‘Sister! What does one who has seen the Satya (Noble Truths) say?’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! One who has seen the Satya (Noble Truths) does not see the names of all dharmas (phenomena), one who has seen the Satya (Noble Truths) sees the names of inversions.’ Subhuti said, ‘Sister! For what reason do you speak in this way?’ The woman said, ‘Venerable Subhuti! If there is delusion, various afflictions arise; having seen the Satya (Noble Truths), they no longer arise. Therefore, I say that one who sees delusion sees the Satyas (Noble Truths).’ At that time, the devas (gods or celestial beings) manifested their bodies, bowed to the Venerable Subhuti, and said, ‘Venerable Subhuti, you have gained great benefit, you...’ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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从是姊闻如是辩，令诸众生大得善利闻法信解。何以故？非多解者无有解脱，非多解者有于系缚，是何所解？” 尔时，女语大德须菩提：“汝不乞食欲不食耶？” 须菩提言：“姊！我于今日闻是法足，不欲于食。姊！贪于饮食，则生忧愁，非是求法；求利养赞叹，非是求法；求安乐身，非是求法；护惜心身命，非是求法；乃至受于赞叹善哉，非是求法。” 须菩提言：“姊！汝今复说，云何善男子、善女人正求于法？” 女言：“大德须菩提！若受恶欲非是求法，若不求眼不求于色，是人求法，不求耳声，不求鼻香，不求舌味，不求身触，不求意法，是人求法。复次，大德须菩提！若不求阴、不求入、不求界，是人求法；不求欲界、色界、无色界，是人求法；若不相求一切境界，是人求法。” 尔时大德须菩提言：“姊！汝可悔过，我今欲去。” 女言：“大德须菩提！犹如地界无有悔过。大德须菩提！心亦如是，同于地界不应悔过；犹如水界无有悔过，心亦如是，同于水界不应悔过；犹如火界、风界、空界无有悔过，心亦如是，同于空界不应悔过。大德须菩提！犹如桥船浮囊王道无有悔过，大德须菩提！心亦如是，同于桥船浮囊王道不应悔过。大德须菩提！凡夫悔过非诸 现代汉语译本 从此，这位姊妹听了这样的辩论，使众多众生得到极大的利益，听闻佛法后生起信心和理解。这是什么缘故呢？不是懂得很多的人就没有解脱，也不是懂得很多的人就会被束缚，那么，应该理解什么呢？” 这时，这位女子对大德须菩提（Subhuti，佛陀的十大弟子之一，以解空第一著称）说：“您不乞食，是不想吃东西吗？” 须菩提（Subhuti）说：“姊姊！我今天听闻这些佛法已经足够了，不想吃东西。姊姊！贪恋饮食，就会产生忧愁，这不是求法；追求利养和赞叹，这不是求法；追求安乐的身体，这不是求法；保护爱惜自己的身心性命，这不是求法；乃至接受别人的赞叹说‘善哉’，也不是求法。” 须菩提（Subhuti）说：“姊姊！您现在再说一说，什么样的善男子、善女人才是真正地求法呢？” 女子说：“大德须菩提（Subhuti）！如果接受邪恶的欲望，这不是求法；如果不追求眼根，不追求色尘，这个人才是求法；不追求耳根和声音，不追求鼻根和香气，不追求舌根和味道，不追求身根和触觉，不追求意根和法尘，这个人才是求法。再次，大德须菩提（Subhuti）！如果不追求五阴（skandha，色、受、想、行、识），不追求十二入（ayatana，眼、耳、鼻、舌、身、意及其对应的色、声、香、味、触、法），不追求十八界（dhatu，六根、六尘、六识），这个人才是求法；不追求欲界（Kamadhatu，众生有情欲的世界）、**（Rupadhatu，色界，有物质但没有情欲的世界）、无**（Arupadhatu，无色界，既没有物质也没有情欲的世界），这个人才是求法；如果不去追求一切境界，这个人才是求法。” 这时，大德须菩提（Subhuti）说：“姊姊！您应该忏悔自己的过错，我现在要离开了。” 女子说：“大德须菩提（Subhuti）！就像地界没有忏悔过错一样。大德须菩提（Subhuti）！心也是这样，和地界一样不应该忏悔过错；就像水界没有忏悔过错一样，心也是这样，和水界一样不应该忏悔过错；就像火界、风界、空界没有忏悔过错一样，心也是这样，和空界一样不应该忏悔过错。大德须菩提（Subhuti）！就像桥梁、船只、浮囊、王道没有忏悔过错一样，大德须菩提（Subhuti）！心也是这样，和桥梁、船只、浮囊、王道一样不应该忏悔过错。大德须菩提（Subhuti）！只有凡夫才会忏悔过错，而不是诸...
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English version From this, the sister, having heard such a debate, caused many beings to gain great benefit, hearing the Dharma and generating faith and understanding. Why is that? It is not that those who understand much have no liberation, nor that those who understand much are bound. What then is to be understood?' At that time, the woman said to the Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti, one of the Buddha's ten great disciples, known for understanding emptiness): 'Do you not beg for food, do you not wish to eat?' Subhuti (Subhuti) said: 'Sister! Today I have heard enough of this Dharma, I do not desire food. Sister! Greed for food and drink gives rise to sorrow, this is not seeking the Dharma; seeking gain and praise, this is not seeking the Dharma; seeking a comfortable body, this is not seeking the Dharma; protecting and cherishing one's mind, body, and life, this is not seeking the Dharma; even receiving praise and saying 'Well done,' this is not seeking the Dharma.' Subhuti (Subhuti) said: 'Sister! Please tell me again, how does a good man or good woman truly seek the Dharma?' The woman said: 'Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! If one accepts evil desires, this is not seeking the Dharma; if one does not seek the eye, does not seek form, this person is seeking the Dharma; not seeking the ear and sound, not seeking the nose and scent, not seeking the tongue and taste, not seeking the body and touch, not seeking the mind and Dharma, this person is seeking the Dharma. Furthermore, Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! If one does not seek the five skandhas (skandha, form, feeling, perception, volition, consciousness), does not seek the twelve ayatanas (ayatana, the six sense organs and their corresponding objects), does not seek the eighteen dhatus (dhatu, the six sense organs, six sense objects, and six consciousnesses), this person is seeking the Dharma; not seeking the Desire Realm (Kamadhatu, the realm of beings with sensual desires), the Form Realm (Rupadhatu, the realm of form, with matter but without sensual desires), or the Formless Realm (Arupadhatu, the realm without form, neither matter nor sensual desires), this person is seeking the Dharma; if one does not seek any realm, this person is seeking the Dharma.' At that time, the Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti) said: 'Sister! You should repent your faults, I wish to leave now.' The woman said: 'Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! Just as the earth element has no repentance. Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! The mind is also like that, like the earth element it should not repent; just as the water element has no repentance, the mind is also like that, like the water element it should not repent; just as the fire element, wind element, and space element have no repentance, the mind is also like that, like the space element it should not repent. Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! Just as bridges, boats, rafts, and royal roads have no repentance, Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! The mind is also like that, like bridges, boats, rafts, and royal roads it should not repent. Venerable Subhuti (Subhuti)! Only ordinary people repent their faults, not the... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------