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22. The Twenty-Second Chapter (208) 1. Discussion on Final Nibbāna 892. Is there final Nibbāna without abandoning any fetter? Yes. Is there final Nibbāna without abandoning any self-view… …without abandoning any shamelessness? It should not be said so… …(etc.). Is there final Nibbāna without abandoning any fetter? Yes. Is an Arahant with passion… …with defilements? It should not be said so… …(etc.). Is not an Arahant without passion… …without defilements? Yes. If an Arahant is without passion… …without defilements, then indeed it should not be said: “There is final Nibbāna without abandoning any fetter.” 893. Should it not be said: “There is final Nibbāna without abandoning any fetter”? Yes. Does an Arahant know all that a Buddha knows? It should not be said so. Then indeed, there is final Nibbāna without abandoning any fetter. The Discussion on Final Nibbāna is concluded. 22. The Twenty-Second Chapter (209) 2. Discussion on Wholesome Consciousness 894. Does an Arahant with wholesome consciousness attain final Nibbāna? Yes. Does an Arahant attain final Nibbāna while performing meritorious volitional formations… …while performing immovable volitional formations… …while performing karma leading to rebirth… …while performing karma leading to existence… …while performing karma leading to sovereignty… …while performing karma leading to dominion… …while performing karma leading to great wealth… …while performing karma leading to a great retinue… …while performing karma leading to divine fortune… …while performing karma leading to human fortune? It should not be said so… …(etc.). Does an Arahant with wholesome consciousness attain final Nibbāna? Yes. Does an Arahant attain final Nibbāna while accumulating, while disaccumulating, while abandoning, while grasping, while scattering, while gathering, while dispelling, while intensifying? It should not be said so… …(etc.). Does not an Arahant neither accumulate nor disaccumulate, having disaccumulated and ceased? Yes. If an Arahant neither accumulates nor disaccumulates, having disaccumulated and ceased, then indeed it should not be said: “An Arahant with wholesome consciousness attains final Nibbāna.” Does not an Arahant neither abandon n One who has abandoned clinging, stands, neither cools down nor heats up, having cooled down, stands; Does not the Arahant neither blaze up nor smolder, having ceased blazing up, stands? Yes. If the Arahant neither blazes up nor smolders, having ceased blazing up, stands, then truly it should not be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna with a wholesome mind." 895. Should it not be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna with a wholesome mind"? Yes. Does not the Arahant attain final Nibbāna with mindfulness established, aware and comprehending? Yes. If the Arahant attains final Nibbāna with mindfulness established, aware and comprehending, then truly it should be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna with a wholesome mind." The discussion on the wholesome mind is concluded. 22. Chapter Twenty-Two. (210) 3. Discussion on Imperturbability. 896. Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability? Yes. Does not the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in the natural mind? Yes. If the Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in the natural mind, then truly it should not be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability." Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability? Yes. Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in a functional mind? It should not be said thus... Does not the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in a resultant mind? Yes. If the Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in a resultant mind, then truly it should not be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability." Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability? Yes. Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in a functional indeterminate mind? It should not be said thus... Does not the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in a resultant indeterminate mind? Yes. If the Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in a resultant indeterminate mind, then truly it should not be said: "The Arahant attains final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability." Does the Arahant attain final Nibbāna, standing in imperturbability? Yes. Did not the Blessed One, having arisen from the fourth jhāna, immediately attain final Nibbāna? Yes. If the Blessed One, having arisen from the fourth jhāna, immediately attained final Nibbāna, then truly it should not be said – "An Arahant, established in the imperturbable, attains final Nibbāna." The discussion on the Imperturbable is concluded. 22. The Twenty-Second Chapter (211) 4. Discussion on the Realization of Dhamma 897. Is there realization of Dhamma in the womb? Yes. Is there teaching of Dhamma in the womb, listening to Dhamma, discussion of Dhamma, questioning, undertaking precepts, guarding the sense doors, moderation in eating, devotion to wakefulness in the first and last watches of the night? It should not be said thus... there is no teaching of Dhamma in the womb, no listening to Dhamma... no devotion to wakefulness in the first and last watches of the night? Yes. If there is no teaching of Dhamma in the womb, no listening to Dhamma... no devotion to wakefulness in the first and last watches of the night, then indeed it should not be said – "there is realization of Dhamma in the womb." Is there realization of Dhamma in the womb? Yes. Are there not two conditions for the arising of right view – the voice of another, and proper attention? Yes. If there are two conditions for the arising of right view – the voice of another, and proper attention, then indeed it should not be said – "there is realization of Dhamma in the womb." Is there realization of Dhamma in the womb? Yes. Is there realization of Dhamma for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension? It should not be said thus... (there is no realization of Dhamma for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension.) The discussion on the Realization of Dhamma is concluded. 22. The Twenty-Second Chapter (212-4) 5-7. Discussion on the Three 898. Is there attainment of Arahantship in the womb? Yes. Is there attainment of Arahantship for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension? It should not be said thus... (there is no attainment of Arahantship for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension.) 899. Is there realization of Dhamma for one who is dreaming? Yes. Is there realization of Dhamma for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension? It should not be said thus... (there is no realization of Dhamma for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension.) 900. Is there attainment of Arahantship for one who is dreaming? Yes. Is there attainment of Arahantship for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension? It should not be said thus... (there is no attainment of Arahantship for one who is asleep, heedless, forgetful, and without clear comprehension.) The discussion on the Three is concluded. 22. The Twenty-Second Chapter 8. Discourse on the Undetermined Is all thought of one who is dreaming undetermined? Yes. Does one kill a living being in a dream? Yes. If one kills a living being in a dream, then it should not be said – “all thought of one who is dreaming is undetermined.” Does one take what is not given in a dream? Does one tell lies? Does one speak divisively? Does one speak harshly? Does one engage in idle chatter? Does one break into houses? Does one commit robbery? Does one commit housebreaking? Does one stand on the highway (as a robber)? Does one go to another's wife? Does one commit village destruction? Does one commit town destruction? Does one engage in sexual intercourse in a dream? Does impurity issue from one who is dreaming? Does one give a gift in a dream? Does one give a robe? Does one give almsfood? Does one give a dwelling? Does one give requisites for the sick and medicine? Does one give solid food? Does one give soft food? Does one give drink? Does one venerate a shrine? Does one offer a garland at a shrine? Does one offer perfume? Does one offer ointment? Does one circumambulate a shrine clockwise? Yes. If one circumambulates a shrine clockwise in a dream, then it should not be said – “all thought of one who is dreaming is undetermined.” Should it not be said – “all thought of one who is dreaming is undetermined”? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One that the thought of one who is dreaming is not actionable? Yes. If it has been said by the Blessed One that the thought of one who is dreaming is not actionable, then it should indeed be said – “all thought of one who is dreaming is undetermined.” The Discourse on the Undetermined is concluded. 22. The Twenty-Second Chapter 9. Discourse on the Condition of Repetition Is there no condition of repetition? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One – “Killing living beings, monks, when practiced, developed, and frequently engaged in, leads to rebirth in hell, rebirth in the animal realm, rebirth in the realm of hungry ghosts; the lightest result of killing living beings, for one reborn as a human, is a short life”? Is there such a discourse? Yes. Then is there any condition of repeated practice? Is there no condition of repeated practice? Yes. Has it not been said by the Blessed One – "Taking what is not given, monks, when practiced, developed, and made much of, leads to hell, to the animal realm, to the realm of hungry ghosts; and the lightest result of taking what is not given, for one reborn as a human, is the loss of wealth… …and the lightest result of sexual misconduct, for one reborn as a human, is enmity with rivals…