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your distinction is not made, your counter-distinction is ill-done, your entanglement is not done, your disentanglement is ill-done, your cutting off is not done, your circle is ill-done, uneven talk, ill-spoken, ill-declared, ill-uttered, ill-said, ill-expressed," thus they reject it – the question-examiners have struck it down. He laments, he grieves, the one with the defeated argument. He laments thus: "Something else was considered by me, something else was thought, something else was conceived, something else was observed. He has a great party, a great following, a great retinue. And this assembly is divided, not united. For the sake of a united assembly, I will break off the discussion again." Such speech, babbling, confused talk, prattling, lamenting, the state of lamenting – thus he laments. He grieves thus: "His is the victory," thus he grieves. "Mine is the defeat," thus he grieves. "His is the gain," thus he grieves. "Mine is the loss," thus he grieves. "His is the fame," thus he grieves. "Mine is the infamy," thus he grieves. "His is the praise," thus he grieves. "Mine is the blame," thus he grieves. "His is the happiness," thus he grieves. "Mine is the suffering," thus he grieves. "He is honored, respected, esteemed, revered, worshipped, a recipient of robes, almsfood, lodgings, medicines for the sick, and requisites, but I am..." Unhonored, unrespected, Unesteemed, unvenerated, unregarded, Not obtaining robes, Almsfood, lodging, Requisites for the sick, He grieves, he wearies, He laments, He beats his breast, he cries out, He falls into confusion – He laments, he grieves. "Inferior argument" means An inferior argument, A low argument, A diminished argument, An argument made to diminish, Not a complete argument – He laments, he grieves, "inferior argument." "He surpassed me," he laments. "He surpassed me In argument, He went beyond, He overcame, He transcended, He passed over." Thus, "He surpassed me," he thinks. Or, "He, having overcome me In argument, Having overwhelmed, Having taken possession, Having crushed, He lives, he dwells, He moves, he acts, He maintains, he carries on, he sustains." Thus, "He surpassed me," he thinks. Lamentation is called Speech, babble, Idle talk, prattle, Prattling, The state of prattling – "He surpassed me," he laments. Therefore the Blessed One said: "Whose argument they say is diminished, Defeated in the arena of questioning; He laments, he grieves, 'inferior argument,' 'He surpassed me,' he laments." 63. These disputes arise among ascetics, In these there is uplift and downfall; Seeing this, one should cease from disputation, For there is no benefit in praise and gain. "These disputes arise among ascetics." "Ascetics" means Whoever outside of this (teaching) Has gone forth into homelessness, Has entered homelessness. These quarrels of views, Contentions of views, Conflicts of views, Disputes of views, Strifes of views, Among ascetics Are born, are produced, Are brought forth, are manifested – "These disputes arise among ascetics." "In these there is uplift and downfall." There is victory and defeat, There is gain and loss, There is fame and disrepute, There is blame and praise, There is pleasure and pain, There is joy and sorrow, There is desirable and undesirable, There is agreement and disagreement, There is uplifted and cast down, There is compliance and opposition, By victory the mind is uplifted, By defeat the mind is cast down, By gain the mind is uplifted, By loss the mind is cast down, By fame the mind is uplifted... By disrepute, the mind is struck down. By praise, the mind is uplifted. By blame, the mind is struck down. By pleasure, the mind is uplifted. By pain, the mind is struck down. By joy, the mind is uplifted. By sorrow, the mind is struck down. By gain, the mind is uplifted. By loss, the mind is struck down. Among these, there is uplifting and striking down. Seeing this, one should desist from disputes. "Seeing this" means seeing this drawback, observing, weighing, judging, making clear, making manifest, in disputes of views, quarrels of views, conflicts of views, contentions of views, wrangling of views. Seeing this, one should desist from disputes. "Dispute" is called quarrel, contention, conflict, controversy, wrangling. Or, "dispute" means talk that is not radiant, night talk. One should not make dispute, should not make quarrel, should not make contention, should not make conflict, should not make controversy, should not make wrangling. One should abandon, dispel, make an end of, bring to non-existence quarrel, contention, conflict, controversy, wrangling. One should be aloof from, abstained from, ceased from, gone forth from, detached from, disjoined from, separated from quarrel, contention, conflict, controversy, wrangling, and dwell with a mind free from limitations. Seeing this, one should desist from disputes. There is no benefit in gain and praise. From gain and praise, there is no other meaning: no meaning for oneself, or for others, or for both; no meaning in this life, or in the next life; no shallow meaning, or deep meaning, or hidden meaning, or concealed meaning; no meaning to be led to, or already led to; no blameless meaning, or undefiled meaning, or purified meaning, or ultimate meaning. There is none, they do not exist, they are not found, they are not perceived. There is no benefit in gain and praise. Therefore the Blessed One said: "These disputes arisen among ascetics, among these there is uplifting and striking down." ...thus; Seeing this too, one should cease from talk, There is no praise or gain in harming. 64. Or if one is praised there, Having declared one's view in the midst of an assembly; He laughs and becomes elated by it, Having attained that goal as his mind desired. "Or if one is praised there" means: "there" means praised, extolled, glorified, lauded in one's own view, one's own conviction, one's own liking, one's own doctrine – "or if one is praised there." "Having declared one's view in the midst of an assembly" means: having declared, proclaimed, asserted, established, elucidated, illuminated, expressed, grasped one's own view, having declared, proclaimed one's counter-view in the midst of an assembly of khattiyas, or an assembly of brahmins, or an assembly of householders, or an assembly of recluses – "having declared one's view in the midst of an assembly." "He laughs and becomes elated by it" means: he is pleased, delighted, overjoyed, cheerful, his intention fulfilled by that victory. Or, laughing with a baring of teeth. "He laughs and becomes elated by it" means: he is elevated, uplifted, a banner, an exaltation, a desire for a flag of the mind by that victory – "he laughs and becomes elated by it." "Having attained that goal as his mind desired" means: having attained, reached, achieved, found, obtained that goal of victory. "As his mind desired" means as his mind was, as his thought was, as his intention was, as his consciousness was – "having attained that goal as his mind desired." Therefore the Blessed One said: "Or if one is praised there, Having declared one's view in the midst of an assembly; He laughs and becomes elated by it, Having attained that goal as his mind desired." 65. That elation is the ground for his downfall, For this speaks of conceit and excessive pride; Seeing this too, one should not dispute, For the skilled do not call purity by that. "That elation is the ground for his downfall" means: "that elation" means that elation, upliftment, banner, exaltation, desire for a flag of the mind – "that elation." That is his... That is his ground of destruction, ground of injury, ground of oppression, ground of striking, ground of calamity, ground of danger— whatever is his exaltation, that is his ground of destruction. "That person speaks of conceit and excessive conceit." That person speaks of conceit and speaks of excessive conceit— that person speaks of conceit and excessive conceit. "Having seen even this, one should not dispute." Having seen, perceived, weighed, considered, understood clearly, and made manifest this danger in disputes of views, in quarrels of views, in contentions of views, in controversies of views, in conflicts of views— having seen even this, one should not dispute. One should not make a quarrel, should not make a dispute, should not make a contention, should not make a controversy, should not make a conflict. One should abandon, remove, put an end to, bring to naught quarrel, dispute, contention, controversy, conflict. One should be far removed, abstained, completely abstained, gone forth, escaped, disjoined, disconnected from quarrel, dispute, contention, controversy, conflict. One should dwell with an unbounded mind— having seen even this, one should not dispute. "Indeed, the skilled ones do not declare purity by that." "Skilled ones" means those who are skilled in aggregates, skilled in elements, skilled in sense bases, skilled in dependent origination, skilled in foundations of mindfulness, skilled in right exertions, skilled in bases of psychic power, skilled in faculties, skilled in powers, skilled in factors of awakening, skilled in the path, skilled in the fruits, skilled in Nibbāna. Those skilled ones do not declare, do not explain, do not speak, do not illuminate, do not express purity, purification, complete purification, liberation, complete liberation, utter liberation by quarrel of views, by dispute of views, by contention of views, by controversy of views, by conflict of views— indeed, the skilled ones do not declare purity by that. Therefore, the Blessed One said: Whatever is his exaltation, that is his ground of destruction, That person speaks of conceit and excessive conceit; Having seen even this, one should not dispute, Indeed, the skilled ones do not declare purity by that. 66. As a hero, fed by the king's food, Roars, desiring a counter-hero; Go, hero, to wherever he is,